[aeonik]

The software culture in automotive companies is completely different from tech bro culture.

Also, some of the graybeards really held back certain innovations like security. Just roll your own crypto (spoiler it was broken).

Some of the older people were great though, really understood the electronics and vehicle communication systems, but in my experience the best software people were usually the manufacturing engineers. They had some really cool ideas and implementations that I didn't really appreciate until much later.

The coders for vehicle systems themselves were either electrical engineers who barely understood software, or software people who never opened a car (like you said).

I think most of the people who are pushing scrum and related ilk are cargo cutting, and aren't actually tech bros. I think a lot of this influence comes from the big consulting companies excited to make tons of money on "transformation".

Independent to this, you have the cloud providers, who are actually from Silicon Valley invading the stack from the backend and storage side, and now AI and analytics.

[karmakaze]

From what I've read about German car companies (in the past) is that they consider software to be 2nd class. Only the physical machine bits are 1st class (or things directly related to the drive-train). In that sense it's like the tech bros where details like sw update can be glossed over for a long time.