[magicalhippo]

AMD barely mentioned their next-gen GPUs, NVIDIA came out swinging right from the start. AMD announced two new models which by their own cryptic slide wouldn't even compete with their current top-end. Then NVIDIA came and announced a 4090-performance GPU for $549...

If that's not just hot hair from NVIDIA, I totally get the business decision from AMD but man, would love some more competition in the higher end.

[Permik]

It depends totally how you define "hot air" in this instance. Later in the keynote there's a mention how the $549 card achieves the 4090-like rendering performance with DLSS, i.e. not with raw graphics, number crunching horsepower.

Personally? It's a no for me dawg, DLSS unfortunately doesn't actually replace the need for the raw GPGPU crunch.

For the average layman and a consumer? Nvidia will be selling those GPU's like hotcakes.

[y-c-o-m-b]

I kind of agree with this. On the one hand when DLSS works well, it's amazing. I didn't notice any issues at all playing Senua's Sacrifice and Senua's Saga. They were both as good as playing on everything maxed without DLSS. On the other hand when using it on Jedi Survivor, it's a very janky experience. You can clearly see artifacts and it trying to "self-correct" when using DLSS vs without DLSS.

[kcb]

DLSS upscaling is good. On a 4k display I can't see any visual reason not to run the Balanced preset. DLSS frame gen on the other hand I'm much more skeptical of. Every time I've tried it something just feels off.

[heyoni]

DLSS in cyberpunk has a lot of issues. Faces look weird, tons of ghosting, hair and particle effects looking very jagged.

[josephg]

They’re claiming DLSS4 (only available on their new cards) fixes a lot of these issues. But we’ll have to wait for the cards to get in the hands of reviewers before we’ll know for sure. I'm still pretty skeptical.

That said, if you read between the lines, it looks like the new 5090 is about ~40% faster than the 4090 at rasterisation. That’s a solid inter generational improvement.

[qingcharles]

Creating the frames with raw GPU is better because they are exactly what the game engine wants to render. But that's unbelievably expensive.

DLSS is absolutely the answer for gaming for the masses. DLSS will continue to improve and is far, far cheaper at creating intermediary frames than rendering them for real.

I buy my cards for AI first and gaming second, though. So DLSS is little use to me. 5090 is a bit of a weak improvement over the 4090 for me, but here we are.

[xcv123]

1080p is enough for the masses and even a $200 used GPU can run most recent games smoothly at native resolution

[caseyy]

4090 (no frame generation) performance with a $549 card (4x frame generation), isn’t it?

In other words, the same performance at somewhere in the range of 2x-3.5x lighter workload. In other words, vastly different performance under same workload. It is veeery on the edge of false advertisement for them to omit the information in parentheses until later in the presentation. :)

That line should have been “4090 frame rates on budget hardware thanks to DLSS 4” or something like that.

[magicalhippo]

From what I've read and heard, the 4090 was with single-frame generation.

Anyway, my point with those lines was to highlight just how defensive AMD was vs how offensive NVIDIA was.

[nomel]

> Then NVIDIA came and announced a 4090-performance GPU for $549

Never trust vendor performance claims (these specifically rely on 3x frame generation), and never assume cards will be available at MSRP.

[belter]

Correct: "Debunking the CUDA Myth Towards GPU-Based AI Systems" - https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.00210

[ekianjo]

> Then NVIDIA came and announced a 4090-performance GPU for $549...

That's obviously a marketing hoax. Spray DLSS and other tricks and you can make this kind of claims while the raw power is clearly on the side of the 4090

[uluyol]

AMD is not ready to have a full announcement for their new consumer GPUs: https://morethanmoore.substack.com/p/where-was-rdna4-at-amds...

[magicalhippo]

I knew this at the time of writing, should have worded myself better.

[behnamoh]

AMD has strategically decided to abandon the enthusiasts market [0]. Really sad that nvidia's monopoly has got solidified even further. That's one of the reasons I contribute to Apple's MLX instead of CUDA.

0: https://www.techradar.com/computing/gpu/amd-announces-new-ra...

Update: typical HN behavior. someone is downvoting all my comments one by one...

[jiggawatts]

Someone with a lot of NVIDIA shares, no doubt…

[blitzar]

More likely someone holding the AMD bag

edit: confirmed.

[khazhoux]

Ad Hominem

[ksec]

>Update: typical HN behavior. someone is downvoting all my comments one by one...

You cant downvote older comments or comments older than 1 / 2 days.