[miramba]

...then post some, instead of obviously biased organisations which make a living of treating it as a problem but can't come up with better reasons than -are less likely to finish high school and college -are more likely to experience unemployment -have more difficulty paying bills -are more likely to experience substance use issues

How likely? I'm not bothering looking it up, it should be mentioned right there! Anyway, it sure sounds like the general crime of being poor + not obeying the system as the ruling classes expect. So instead of perhaps checking on the system, lets fill the child with some completely harmless pharmaceuticals:

"If a child taking a stimulant seems sedated or zombie-like, or tearful and irritable, it usually means that the dose is too high and the clinician needs to adjust the prescription to find the right dose."

No way that could mess up a childs mind, right? Everyone thinking otherwise is clearly a flat earther. Disclaimer: I happen to be a clinician, although not in that field, and drug side effects like those - on a child - usually need very, very good justifications or it's malpractice. And just because it seems to have worked for you the right way doesn't mean that it's right for anyone.

[kfreds]

> then post some, instead of obviously biased organisations which make a living of treating it as a problem

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_attention_defi...

Wikipedia is a good start, if you are open to the idea of being proven wrong. There is in fact quite a bit of evidence suggesting that many children with ADHD benefit from getting medicated with e.g. methylphenidate and amphetamine.

Of course ADHD medications come with risks, but the question is if they are on the whole beneficial for the patient or not. Brain surgery has risks, Ibuprofen has risks, exercise has risks.

[thenaturalist]

If you are truly a clinician, I don't understand your comment.

Because it's all about you, your morals and unscientific personal opinion and 0 about interest for patient outcomes.

That is not the medical ethos.

And it seems you actually don't have much touchpoints with modern psychiatric practice.

I'd give a lot for my parents who got indication of my diagnosis at a much earlier age and never told me to act on that instead of me suffering the consequences of their failure to provide medical intervention - both with regards to broken relationships in personal and professional life, years of depression and thousands of Euros out of my own pocket to get to the point of understanding myself where I am today.

As always if you start on a psychoactive medication, adult or not, you'd go trough titration to determine an optimal dose.

This is closely monitored by your psychiatrist where I live.

Nobody in this process has any incentive to produce sedated zombies.

Everyone in this process has incentives to avoid very real human suffering.

If you want to go more in depth, as always, Huberman has an in depth and direct source rich talk here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxgCC4H1dl8