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by CalRobert 531 days ago
How does it make the roads more dangerous?
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Disregarding just being teenagers (using their phones, doing burnouts), not having a proper driver's license (usually a 20+ lesson affair in Sweden) and driving old cars without safety systems; driving at less than half the speed of regular traffic in a smaller city or a more rural area means a lot of dangerous overtaking as the standard road is one lane in each direction (especially where the terrain doesn't allow for much more) and these cars are not allowed on highways. Since you are allowed to choose high school in Sweden, some choose one further away and driving. Making such roads congested.
I was thinking it’d be similar to tractors, which I’m guessing are already legal (but maybe I’m wrong!)
It's normal cars regulated as tractors, because at some point it was considered useful to use cars as tractors. But as you can now convert them electronically, they are used at scale for convenience. So it like driving behind a tractor, but there are many tractors going back and forth to school, the supermarket and friends in rush hour and on weekend. All day, every day. And the drivers are very overrepresented in not behaving well on the road.

Here are some examples.

https://youtu.be/EprqvxTF5vI?t=92

https://youtu.be/RfhIPGVDQ2Q?t=461

https://youtu.be/wTkM5Cknobc?t=509

They tend to lead to more unsafe overtakings since getting stuck behind one is stressful, they’re driven by young people who have a license to drive a moped and haven’t gone through the ice-driving classes a regular Swedish driver’s license includes, and the cars are often older inherently unsafer car models lacking proper maintenance.

And a chunk of people driving them violate the framework and drive extra passengers, bypass the speed limiter, and drink and drive.

Adults that hate kids tend to do dangerous overtakings because they just can't chill for a bit at 30 km/h and so on. It's not the kids and their tractors making the roads more dangerous.
As someone who has spent a lot of time in a literal tractor at comparable speeds I dislike drivers like you more than I dislike drives like them because once a few of you stack up behind me the situation becomes far less straight forward for drivers who want to pass and doing so becomes far more dangerous for them, which endangers me.

Just pass the damn tractor. You're not doing anybody any favors by being "patient".

I'm not going to risk my life or that of my kids, I'll wait until I can do a safe overtaking.

I've grew up in the countryside and worked on a farm as an adult and don't agree with you despite many hours in tractors, with and without trailers, on public roads.

>I'm not going to risk my life or that of my kids, I'll wait until I can do a safe overtaking.

What I hear when you say that is:

"I will follow you for several miles ignoring whaat other people would consider fine passing opportunities (and me waving my arm out the window at you trying to get you to go around) until a bunch of pissed off traffic stacks up until some guy with a Dodge Charger (or whatever, you get the stereotype) comes along and decides to pass us all at once in a sketchy way, to everyone's detriment"

And from there it goes one of two ways. Either you get the message and pass me at the next decent (to the average person, not you) opportunity or you squander that opportunity and the second guy in line passes you both of us at a reasonable time and that repeats.

Now, obviously when someone who gives off those sorts of vibes shows up I'll pull over at the first available opportunity to force them to pass but when you're talking a 2-lane with no shoulder and ditches and a combination too long to use a driveway as a pull off it could be awhile.

Listen, I get it, not everyone can pass, some people have higher standards than others for . There's people towing trailers, there's heavy trucks, student drivers, old people, shitboxes running on three cylinders, etc, etc. But that doesn't make the situation safer and for a normal person in a normal car in normal conditions to subject themselves to that is just, ugh.... misguided

If you want to make things up, maybe don't send it to other people unless they asked for it?
You're missing the point.

The kind of people who won't pass (where reasonable, as defined by the average person) a tractor or moped or whatever in the name of safety are not creating a net increase in safety. They are creating a cluster fuck, which comes with a decrease in safety.

It's the same crowd who blame cyclists for making the roads more dangerous because drivers "have to" overtake them in dangerous ways.
> because they just can't chill for a bit at 30 km/h and so on.

Driving 30 km/h instead of 70-80 km/h would drive anyone insane, it would effectively double your travel time.