[Amezarak]

You don’t need a lift, Walmart sells cheap ramps and many cars are high enough now you don’t even need those. Of course you can also use a jack and jack stands too, and almost every car comes now with a jack.

Used oil can be disposed of at almost any of the super abundant auto parts stores. You take it in, walk to the back, and dump it in the giant tank.

Are those really your reasons?

[baby_souffle]

> Are those really your reasons?

Yes. Space is an expensive luxury where I live. Doesn't matter _how cheap_ the ramp(s) and jack(s) and stand(s) are. I'm going to use them ~5 times a year and the rest of the time they're going to be taking up space that more utilized tools/materials/stuff can occupy.

The few $ i spend every ~ 4k miles on oil changes is worth it. Mechanic does it faster than I could because they have power lift and it's second nature to them. While they're under there, they call anything else that's worth it to my attention, too.

My next car will not need oil and then those cheap ramps will _really_ be a waste of space.

[xethos]

I can't say for everyone, but my current Mazda 3 (and I suspect my previous tenth-gen Civic) lifts to only one side at a time. There is no jack point (in the manual at least) at the front allowing you to jack the vehicle (with the single included jack) and put in jack stands for both sides.

Suggests the jack is included only to change a tire at the side of the road, not for maintenance. You were right earlier though, inexpensive ramps for work would be fine.

[pwg]

> There is no jack point (in the manual at least) at the front allowing you to jack the vehicle (with the single included jack) and put in jack stands for both sides.

That is not how you put the front up on stands with one jack and the manual's indicated tire change jack points. You jack up one side, using the "jack point" for changing that front tire on that side, insert one jack stand on that side, then you switch to the other side, jack up the other side using its approved "jack point", and insert the other jack stand on the other side.

[RayeEvtuch]

You raise one side, lower it onto the jack stand, remove the jack, then repeat for the other side. You don't raise the entire front of the car.