[dataflow]

You're not addressing the question.

> If everybody watches the superbowl at the same time I'd expect the power grid not to fail.

"I get what I want immediately" to "the system won't fail" is a nice way to shift goalposts. If everyone shows up to their flight then the flight won't crash, it'll depart just fine with the capacity it has and offer everyone else on the next available flight. You know, the same thing that happens when the power grid is turning back on. They do it one piece of the grid at a time. Which results in you getting less than what the person next door paid for. Because that's reality.

> I am also in europe. I don't get throttled service and what you say is not in my contract. What do you say to that?

When there are a ton of people crammed in the same location overloading the network, you get throttled, whether intentionality or not, whether you like it or not. There is no way on Earth that you being in Europe somehow makes you immune to reality.

[adriancr]

> offer everyone else on the next available flight.

Plus compensation which is an admission of fault on airlines.

> There is no way on Earth that you being in Europe somehow makes you immune to reality.

Perhaps you can think of how that might work, i can think of:

- large fiber pipes capable of accomodating spikes

- average out traffic for large systems - have predictable traffic at scale, scale up as needed, power on/off equipment, etc

[sgjohnson]

You clearly have no idea how the internet works.

The rock bottom rate for IP transit is $60/gbps. None of the infrastructure cost is included here.

And that’s with Hurricane Electric. They are a bit notorious for having probably the worst routing in the industry, but they are also the cheapest in the industry.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_transit

It’s nowhere near as simple as “large fiber pipes capable of accomodating spikes”.

There are very good reasons why hyperscalers are building their own intercontinental undersea fiber networks. So they don’t have to pay for the _extremely_ expensive intercontinental transit.

Last I checked renting a wave capable of doing 400gbps between Amsterdam and New York was close to $80k/mo. A wave is basically a dedicated wavelength of light guaranteed to you and only you.

You don’t want your ISP to oversubscribe? Become your own ISP. Get an AS number. Get your own IP space (both of these can be done on the cheap, /36 of v6 is basically free and /24 of v4 can be had for $100 a month). Get a BGP session with a transit provider. Pay them for transit.

Get IXP links so you have direct access to AWS, Google and Netflix. Save on the transit costs there! But the IXP peerings aren’t cheap and on a small scale will certainly cost more than transit.

Congratulations, you’re now paying $1000 a month for 1gbps guaranteed. It gets cheaper with scale, but scale also increases your infra costs.

Everyone would be on 10mbps if ISPs weren’t allowed to oversubscribe.

I became my own ISP as a hobby (https://bgp.tools/as/200676). This hobby costs me $200/mo, and I don’t have any real transit, just cheapo VPSes in locations convenient for me.

Wanna know what my residential ISP whom I pay €19/mo for 1gbps residential service quoted me for a BGP session at my home on a business connection? €9800 in setup fees, €2000/mo, min. 3 year commitment + transit. Of course that was a “fuck off, we just don’t want to do this” quote, but the only alternative I have here is to pull my own fiber.