[adriancr]

I have a 10gbps fiber LAN. It was cheap to set up and have it running.

I do not buy your argument.

People buy a certain level of service, they should be able to enjoy it as in the rest of the world.

[sgjohnson]

10gbps transit at the rock bottom rate costs $600/mo.

Please max out the line rate for a month or so straight and then tell me how happy your ISP is with you.

They are banking on the fact that you’re pulling 100mbps at the most, with bursts to 10gbps occasionally.

[mindslight]

> 10gbps transit at the rock bottom rate costs $600/mo.

So then 300Mb/s transit, which is around the services these incumbent dinosaur ISPs are offering, is $20/mo? And $20/mo is only 10-20% of their large monthly bills? You're basically proving the opposing argument here in the general case [0].

For reference, I've asked my 1Gb/s municipal provider if they have bandwidth caps, and they told me "no" and that they are not concerned with how much bandwidth I use.

[0] The specific case is that most users are streaming video from large entertainment providers, for which the ISP isn't even paying transit but rather merely the electricity and rack units of CDN edge boxes.

[Hikikomori]

Let me know when you've built that out to a million customers without any oversubscription.

[adriancr]

ISPs are free to oversubscribe as much as they want.

As long as they also provide people the bandwidth sold to them when they want it.

Otherwise compensation should be in order if they throttle.

[Hikikomori]

The point of oversubscription is maintaining a network that keeps costs low while providing a good service without congestion. They monitor their network (not your last mile connection, everything else) and once links start reaching 60-80% of capacity at peak times you start adding more capacity. Bad ISPs (like most US ISPs) let this go way too far though.

[abduhl]

And does your cheap and easy to set up 10gbps fiber LAN cross under the interstate 10 feet deep?

[adriancr]

The same fiber I have for 10gbps can be used for 400gbps... just by changing sfp modules.

Same logic for interstate. You lay fiber once and scale equipment as needed. If you already have the fiber there then just use better modules.

[BenjiWiebe]

It's oversubscription all the way up, and it works. What doesn't work is when a greedy/lazy ISP tries to increase the oversubscription ratio too far.

[abduhl]

It appears that your ignorance on the topics of infrastructure and the advancement of technology over the past five decades makes having a useful conversation impossible. Not every cable in the ground was installed with today's state of the art technology. Enjoy your apparently unthrottleable internet connection.

[adriancr]

throttling should be an exception, not the norm.

If ISPs sell you a bandwidth per month they should deliver it.

You're the one that's short changed if you accept the throttling.