[mcdeltat]

Yep, you hit the nail on the head. I think a similar train of thought with mental health. Every time there's a new study on how terrible chronic stress is, or how many years of life chronic loneliness loses you. Well how about - radical thought incoming - we stop constructing a society where we are increasingly exploited and isolated? "Oh but the free market" (or whatever other excuse) we bemoan. Crap, yeah, guess as long as someone makes a dollar, the wellbeing of millions doesn't matter...

[illiac786]

Toure really contributing to the problem here. Hearing people complaining about the state of the world is stressful for everyone and causes people to isolate even more.

I recommend to be constructive and make actionable recommendations, and have a positive tone. I know it’s not easy in the current state of affairs though.

“ stop constructing a society where ….” really doesn’t tell anyone what you think we should do.

And I agree with you btw, I think the root cause is, we have anonymised too much, revenue is the only thing that matters, because before that, there were things like traditions, shame, ethic, etc. but they went all out the window when money making became possible anonymously via funds, VCs, etc. You can switch to child labor to save 0.1% margin because, guess what, no one is responsible anymore: the shareholders, these anonymous mass, want it.

[mcdeltat]

What you say is true. Although I'm conflicted on whether a 100% positive approach is best. Thing is, we're currently doing a pretty shit job of building a good society, and it needs to change ASAP, for our benefit and the benefit of the planet. I'm partly of the mindset that people need a huge wakeup call. While we are humming and hahing and saying "no don't worry, it's not THAT bad", the world probably doesn't get any better. Bad actors prey on complacency. How long do we need to wait for cost of living to soar, inequality to increase, mental health to decline, etc until we take a hard stance and put a stop to it? You and I may be in the privileged position to take a nonradical stance and ultimately still live decent lives.

Also, I think many people don't think we are headed in the wrong direction, or are generally uneducated about the topic. Blissful ignorance... during which they continue being good consumers to keep the hamster wheel spinning. We are sleepwalking into some sort of societal disaster. You're probably right that people need to be addressed with a positive tone. But it's hard.

[Herring]

Well you saw how those millions recently voted in the US. I've largely stopped worrying about this. Slavery took hundreds of years to get phased out, and Europe took hundreds of years to mostly-stop going to war. I only have a couple decades to my life.

I got a nice exercise bike, which I use for 30m most days. I got one for my parents too, but my mom refused to use it and promptly got a heart attack. Can't win them all. I do what I can, but I've stopped trying to lift mountains.