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> It seems to me that there quite likely is something beyond the bounds of human experience, but we aren’t quite sure what it is. ... Simply denying existence outside of human frames seems like a denial of reality.

My extended family has protestants, Catholics, ex-chatholics, atheist and then my father. One of his parents was atheist and the other descended from a long line of quakers and catholics. Around my late teens I finally asked what his thoughts were on the subject. His reply was something like, "let me know when it helps in any real meaningful/tangible way to provide for the family; then I will think about it and let you know." He never spoke anything on the subject, as if it didn't exist. Not against it, not for it, not even a curiosity. He is also the type that worked 2 jobs while also starting his own business that drained money for some years before providing a comfortable living. I would not say that he was at all in "a denial of reality". Quite the opposite.

Personally, I think the thing beyond the bounds of human experience is science waiting to be discovered. I have always found it fascinated that other animals have differing zones or frequencies of senses. How there are sounds we can not hear, colors we can not see but other creatures can. There is a whole world within our world that we can't always directly experience or when we do, we don't always have a way to link it to measurable things; yet it is still there. We should be spending more time discovering the reality just beyond our senses, or at least building that curiosity in the next generation to pursue instead of focusing on fairy-tale magical explanations.

[keiferski]

By “denial of reality” I am referring to the totality of existence. Not the reality of working a job and paying for things.

Not everyone is curious about ultimate questions like these. That’s fine, but for those of us that are curious, they are very important questions indeed.

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I don't deny that they are important questions, I differ in the labeling that is most commonly used. There is some quote that go like "magic is science waiting to be discovered" or something like that. I simply wish we could replace magical wordings (or relearn them) with a `deferred` or `future` so we don't block or slow progress due to getting attached to fantastical stories.

I bring up my experience, because who measures that (the totality of existence)? There was no denial from him, because from his view point that was the totality of existence.