[mvladic]

Obsidian is an Electron app (I don't know if it belongs to the Block editor category). It loads just as fast as your app. I tried copying and pasting the text file War and Peace (66035 lines) from Notepad into both apps and, interestingly, Obsidian is slightly faster. Also, scrolling through this large chunk of text is slightly faster on Obsidian, too. Obsidian memory consumption (4 processes) is 172 MB and Daino Notes consumption (1 process) is 352.7 MB. Tested on Windows 11 PC.

[rubymamis]

Obsidian is not a block editor. Can you put a Kanban or any other complex block in the middle of a document? From my understanding, you can't. Here's how to think of it: a block editor is a basically a virtualized list with dynamic loading, so it can load any arbitrary component *while* allowing the user to interact with the list as it was a singular piece of document - so you get text selection between these discrete blocks, editing, etc like you would in a regular text editor.

Again, from my understanding, Obsidian is not that. If I remember correctly it is based on CodeMirror which is designed to only handle (EDIT: rich) text.

Edit (addendum): BTW, I'm not sure your Obsidian RAM reading is correct, an empty instance of Obsidian with one note uses 285MB (all 4 processes together) on my machine (M1).

[mvladic]

Here is the screenshot showing memory consumption of Obsidian (I did wait 30 seconds for memory to settle down after initial spike which was 240 MB): https://pasteboard.co/uW2lPNSbL7f7.png

[EDIT] Here is memory consumption of Daino Notes: https://pasteboard.co/z5pciLoh99i6.png

[rubymamis]

This is what I get with an *empty* vault: https://pasteboard.co/N3IdNUKUUNKq.png

EDIT: Btw, I do have plans to cut RAM usage significantly in Daino Notes (I focused more on load time and responsiveness). But getting back to my point - I can do these optimizations because those RAM inefficiencies are a result of my code, not some abstractions I can't change.

[maratc]

> pasting the text file War and Peace (66035 lines)

Funny, but how about a log of one Jenkins run weighting at - checking... - 630 MB? Or two of them so someone can compare them?

[kebokyo]

Obsidian is the only Electron app I don’t despise.

VSCode is close to counting… but it absolutely sucks on RAM usage, so I try to avoid it when I can.

[leptons]

RAM is cheap, my time is not. VSCode is the best game in town (for me), and my 32GB computer has no problem with its RAM requirements. Even 8GB would be enough for VSCode depending on what else your toolchain requires.

[hnthrowaway2376]

> RAM is cheap

RAM is cheap for you.

It's always silly when people bring up their top-of-the-line computer into discussions about performance. Software shouldn't be just for the top 1%.

[leptons]

Apple RAM is expensive. Every other kind of RAM is pretty cheap. 32GB DDR4 can be had for under $30, and 16GB DDR4 can be had for about $25. I'm not sure who you think has a computer, is developing software, and can't afford that. Maybe someone in India, I guess. Too bad if that's you, but "top 1%" is a laughable claim when RAM is so cheap. 16GB of RAM is nowhere near "top of the line". You're just trolling here, "hnthrowaway2376".

Let's say I spent $50 on 32GB of RAM. Over the lifetime of the computer that upgrade would cost ~$0.02 per day. Two pennies a day. And that's US prices, it can be less expensive elsewhere.

I've used VSCode on a computer with 2GB of RAM, and it worked. I expected everything to run slower - and it did run slower, but it ran. And I developed, and contributed to the project I was working on while away from my workstation. This was a cheap $70 Windows 10 tablet. YMMV.

[hnthrowaway2376]

> Apple RAM is expensive. Every other kind of RAM is pretty cheap. 32GB DDR4 can be had for under $30, and 16GB DDR4 can be had for about $25.

I'm sure that's pretty cheap for you, yes. Taxes and other fees tend to increase those prices outside the US, by the way.

> I'm not sure who you think has a computer, is developing software, and can't afford that.

There is a market for lightweight code editors, isn't there?

> Too bad if that's you, but "top 1%" is a laughable claim when RAM is so cheap.

That was a bit of hyperbole on my part, but let's not forget that just being an employed SWE in the US easily places you in the top 1% globally.

> I've used VSCode on a computer with 2GB of RAM, and it worked. I expected everything to run slower - and it did run slower, but it ran. And I developed, and contributed to the project I was working on while away from my workstation. This was a cheap $70 Windows 10 tablet. YMMV.

Fair enough. VSCode is hardly the worst offender though - it actually runs quite well for an Electron app.

[leptons]

> but let's not forget that just being an employed SWE in the US easily places you in the top 1% globally.

And not being able to afford $30 as a developer for a decent amount of RAM puts you in the bottom 1% of developers globally. Yes, I made that up just as you are making up your own numbers. But as I explained, you don't need 128GB of RAM, you don't need 64GB of RAM, you don't even need 8GB of RAM, you can still develop with VSCode with 2GB of RAM. Nobody is handing out free RAM, so if you need more, save your rupees, or pennies, or euros, or whatever. The daily cost of it spread over time is miniscule for anyone on the planet, and you will get back the investment in saved time.

[pjmlp]

Not when it is soldered on a mobile phone, tablet or laptop, and getting more implies throwing away an otherwise perfectly working device.

[niutech]

Not everybody can upgrade RAM due to warranty seal/lack of slot or simply doesn't know how to do it. Software should use as little resources as it could.

[ozim]

Unfortunately no one is making apps for poor people.