[jjav]

> so is firing people (at least in United States it is.)

There's probably some country somewhere where it is easier to fire people than the US, but not sure where would that be.

There are zero requirements to fire people in the US. No reason needed, no notice, no compensation, nothing.

Most (if not all) other countries have varying levels of requirements, notice and compensation required to fire someone. In the US, nothing.

[salomon812]

There's a difference between layoffs and firing. To fire an individual, the company must have documentation to ensure it's not a wrongful termination. Ironically, it's easier to lay-off 100 people because all you need to do is demonstrate their division's project is cancelled.

And that documentation takes time as a manager, which costs money.

But I admit not knowing completely because I haven't had to fire anyone yet. I have talked to legal about the process regarding someone not on my team.

[ghusbands]

What jjav is referring to is "at will" employment - in almost all US states, employees can be fired for almost any reason, with no recourse. So the fact you're saying that firing people is expensive and time-consuming in the US flies in the face of the actual legal environment there compared with most other relevant countries.

[lotsofpulp]

>the company must have documentation to ensure it's not a wrongful termination.

Companies develop documentation processes as they get bigger for myriad reasons, but there is very little to worry about in the US in the way of terminating someone.

The only adverse effect most times is increase in unemployment insurance premiums, if you do not have enough documentation to show you terminated for cause.

Otherwise, 99.9% of the time, the terminated person can claim whatever kind of wrongful termination they want, they probably won’t get anywhere via the courts.

[jjav]

> To fire an individual, the company must have documentation to ensure it's not a wrongful termination.

Not in the US. All you must do is tell them they're gone, walk them out the door and that's that. You must pay them any worked days not yet paid but that's all.

Company HR departments sometimes establish more elaborate procedures for firing, but none of that is required by law, it's just internal company process.

[BarryMilo]

I'm assuming you're talking about "at-will" states, coming from Canada I've heard there are also sane states. And even some at-will states have powerful unions no doubt.