[magpi3]

Could it tell the difference between a dishwasher and a picture of a dishwasher on a wall? Or one painted onto a wall? Or a toy dishwasher?

There is an essential idea of what makes something a dishwasher that LLM's will never be able to grasp no matter how many models you throw at them. They would have to fundamentally understand that what they are "seeing" is an electronic appliance connected to the plumbing that washes dishes. The sound of a running dishwasher, the heat you feel when you open one, and the wet, clean dishes is also part of that understanding.

[viraptor]

Yes, it can tell a difference, up to the point where the boundaries are getting fuzzy. But the same thing applies to us all.

Can you tell this is a dishwasher? https://www.amazon.com.au/Countertop-Dishwasher-Automatic-Ve...

Can you tell this is a drawing of a glass? https://www.deviantart.com/januarysnow13/art/Wine-Glass-Hype...

Can you tell this is a toy? https://www.amazon.com.au/Theo-Klein-Miele-Washing-Machine/d...

[magpi3]

If I am limited to looking at pictures, then I am at the same disadvantage as the LLM, sure. The point is that people can experience and understand objects from a multitude of perspectives, both with our senses and the mental models we utilize to understand the object. Can LLMs do the same?

[viraptor]

That's not a disadvantage of LLM. You can start sending images from a camera moving around and you'll get many views as well. The capabilities here are the same as the eye-brain system - it can't move independently either.

[cynicalpeace]

That's exactly the point- generally intelligent organism are not just "eye-brain systems"

[viraptor]

You really need to define what you mean by generally intelligent in that case. Otherwise, if you require free movement for generally intelligent organisms, you may be making interesting claims about bedridden people.

[cynicalpeace]

Bedridden people are not just eye-brain systems.