[rawkode]

I really wanted JMAP to work, but FastMail can't innovate on a protocol level while providing a stale and boring product.

They need to motivate people to use FastMail to boost JMAP adoption and they've failed to do that for a decade.

They post their 12 days of Christmas blog every year and never a new feature to be found.

If you can't add shiny features to your service with a new shiny protocol that promises to break down silos, then it doesn't stand a chance.

What will replace IMAP will be what changes email forever, and we've not seen that yet in an open protocol.

We should revisit Google / Apache Wave

[chillfox]

As one of their customers, I really appreciate that they don't upend everything all the time with pointless features.

Constantly reinventing things and piling on pointless features is one of the things I dislike most about Google, their chat solution is especially egregious for this. It only causes frustration and increases the time investment required to be proficient with the products.

[jolmg]

They have added features though. They're just not invasive. They added masked emails, for example. And if I look at the settings right now, I notice they've added customization of what swipes do.

I too like the feeling that they're stable. I guess they're just tactful with their additions.

[chillfox]

I don't mind new features, but I do very much mind when those new features change the UI, upend how things work or just add clutter.

Not invasive is a good way of putting it, I don't mind new features that are not invasive.

[snapplebobapple]

I switched a couple years ago because the masked emails and i was tired of histing anonaddy and i couldnt be happier myself. Easily the best mail provider i have used and i have used a bunch of them (including all the big guys, a provider using zimbra,protonmail, etc)

[rawkode]

They don't need a new protocol to deliver a stable and sufficient product for their customers, I agree.

I'm suggesting that a new protocol needs hype for adoption and reinventing email needs new capabilities

[ghjfrdghibt]

I don't get your point. Fastmail provide, foremost, an email service. Boring is good here. Exciting and shiny I don't need.

[rawkode]

Then you are also fine with IMAP. No new protocol needed.

[chillfox]

Nope, IMAP can't provide the kind of smooth reliable experience that the Fastmail mobile app provides. Now they obviously could have done it in many different ways, but I know from experience with IMAP that it can't do it.

The amount of times IMAP has resulted in duplicate emails when moving mail between folders for me is enough that I eventually gave up on attempting any kind of organization back when I was last using it.

[louis-lau]

My anecdote is that that has never happened to me and all IMAP clients seem fairly stable to me. Do with that information what you will.

[chillfox]

I sometimes feel like an edge case detector.

Anyway, It has been some years since I last used IMAP. I had issues with Outlook, Thunderbird and Nylas N1 while connecting to Gmail, Exchange and Office365. It was a fairly small mailbox getting about 20k mail a year and keeping about half of that. Usually moving about 5k mail around at a time (end of year).

It got so bad that I had to get familiar enough with the IMAP protocol to make my own client program to handle deduplication overnight. Shortly after that I decided to just give up on trying to keep thinks organized.

I am in Australia and this was before the NBN, so obviously it was always on shitty connections.

[ghjfrdghibt]

I'm happy with pop too.