[EgoIncarnate]

The use of the term VM without further qualification in the title is unfortunate. Emulated VM would have been nicer to avoid confusion with hypervisor style virtual machines.

Staring emphermial hypervisor VMs quickly is more noteworthy (since they are often slow to start) than an emulator VM where it's expected to be fast since it's usually not much more than setting up a datastructure and executing a call to an interpreter. I clicked hoping for the former, only to find out the project is the latter.

[binary132]

What exactly is the difference? Are you talking about hardware virtualization via e.g. intel vt-x? Do you mean virtualizing hardware subsystems with drivers instead of forwarding syscalls directly? Running a kernel?

Maybe I’m not seeing how those things are fundamentally different than “setting up a datastructure and calling an interpreter”.

[EgoIncarnate]

A hypervisor VM is running native code via hardware virtualization. An emulator VM is running an interpreter and/or JIT generally using a different instruction set.

A hypervisor VM typically requires more extensive setup involving hardware configuration and is usually used for running existing native code, so it often means emulating a real machine, including OS and sometimes even firmware/BIOS. There are "lightweight" environments like Firecracker, but the overhead of creating an instance is still heaver than the overhead of a function call. The instance creation overhead is high, but the instruction performance can be close to native. Microsecond VM creation is notable given the typical instance creation overhead in this case.

A emulator VM for a sandbox typically will just be a software CPU emulator with some level of OS emulation. The instance creation overhead is setting up a data structure and issuing a function call to "run" the CPU emulator. The instruction performance is generally much slower than executing native code. Microsecond VM creation is not very notable in this case.

If your running a long running process the hypervisor approach is usually superior. If your running a very short lived process (for instance a VM per http request), the emulator approach may work better.

There is also the container approach like Docker which is somewhat in between in overhead and can run at native speed on bare metal. The OS virtualization GVisor approach of capturing syscalls.

[binary132]

a hvm is only running via hardware assisted virtualization if the guest is using the same ISA; a non-native guest is still "real virtualization", if all else is equal, isn't it? in that case, wouldn't the processor be the same thing as a "CPU emulator"? if not, how is it different?

I guess what I'm trying to say is maybe the distinction you're drawing isn't really as distinct as you think it is; if this project had virtualized devices and a kernel driving them instead of passing through syscalls, would that be real virtualization, assuming we're talking about a non-native guest ISA? don't vm guest drivers abstractly just pass through to syscalls / host drivers anyway? what if there was no OS and the user's code implemented those drivers? aren't virtualized devices "just setting up a datastructure and calling a function" too? if not, what are they?

like, do you see how this is really a spectrum or collection of system components with levels of virtualization?

CPU-only virtualization with syscall sandboxes is still more secure and useful than fancy chroot.

[EgoIncarnate]

Sorry if I wasn't more clear. I wasn't trying to argue for a correct definition of virtualization. My point was that because the use of VM in the title is ambiguous without context when speaking to a general audience, it would have been nice to have a more qualified title.

For me the reason for the distinction between hardware virtualization and emulation based virtualization is the differences in suitability based on instance creation cost, and instruction performance, and as you mention security.

My usage was just an attempt to explain why I saw a distinction, not to pedantically define any of the terms. My apologies if you felt I used them incorrectly.

[binary132]

haha, I probably just had a gut reaction instead of receiving the intent. whoops. I was mainly just thinking back to when I was trying to understand where the line is between things like qemu and kvm and xen and finding that it is a blurrier distinction than I had realized.