[righthand]

But simple scaffolding, test cases, boilerplate was around before LLMs via code generators/scaffolders, so yes, it’s revised history to pretend like an LLM invented those things. None of those things are complex ideas either.

I’m not sure I understand what you’re asking though.

[anonzzzies]

While true, LLMs are just a more advanced version of it. Let's take Go as example as that is a very boilerplatey language; with claude, I only have to write the meat, for instance;

result, err:= doSomething()

and it'll generate the rest around it. Every time. Faster than I would type it and with more eye for detail (I am lazy, I will forget things as I did it now the 10004th time). So you can imagine some boilerplate scaffold thing that would do this err handling for you, but if you have a custom one, for 'old' tools you would have to tell the tool; now it just does it.

It especially becomes clear in frontend tasks: it just generates 100+ lines of react that work and look good; who likes writing they type of thing manually? I know 0 people who do: after that you will want to tweak it, but the 100k+ lines of react we generally have in a project are not something we would want to write these days from scratch. Which old school scaffold etc tool does that? So that it is 80-90% there for SaaS first shot? I know nothing (doesn't exist) without the lovely verboseness of having to type a million tags?

It saves us a lot of time we don't have to spend on boring stuff. We only have to write the actual business logic and data models; the rest drops out. And of course we only have to write that very loosely, not formally.

[righthand]

I love writing code, perhaps these software developers who do not will enjoy a different career once they LLM themselves out of this career. Writing 100k lines of code is a great achievement. Sorry to hear you’re so bored.

What is boring is the time I’ve wasted on a recent project fixing all of my coworkers LLM mistakes. I think I’ve nearly rewritten the entire php wordpress plugin. So his work really was a waste of time.

For golang I have never had a problem writing if err != nil. It takes a few seconds, paying some LLM company to write something I could write myself but I don’t want to because “I’m bored” is ludicrous use of time to me.

[anonzzzies]

But it doesn't cost time is the point; it'll just fall out faster than you can type. Each their own; we save tons of time and errors with it; ymmv and that's fine.

[dartos]

> I only have to write the meat, for instance; result, err:= doSomething()

Ever heard of snippets? They do that too, but much more energy efficient and faster.

[0xjnml]

Time spent writing code is IMO the smallest part of software engineering.

Optimizations give better results when care is taken first about the most costly parts.

[anonzzzies]

That's the stuff I rather spend my time on when making money with software; all the other parts. One exists with the other.

[dartos]

> Which old school scaffold etc tool does that?

create-react-app and yeoman