[whstl]

Not GP but: Personally, I find that book's advice is highly subjective and rooted on aesthetics rather than pragmatism or experimentation. It encourages an excessive number of very small methods and very small classes, and brushes off problems that it causes.

Not about the book, but: Its influence is malignant. Even Uncle Bob mentioned in a recent interview that he will break the "10 lines per method" rule if need be. But practitioners influenced by the book lack his experience, and are often very strict. I even remember a specific Ruby linter that capped methods at 5 or 6 lines max IIRC. Working in such a fragmented codebase is pure madness. This comment from another user made me remind some of those codebases: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42486032

EDIT: After living in the "Clean Code world" for half a decade I can categorically say that it produces code that is not only slow to run (as argued by Casey Muratori [1]), but also slower to understand, due to the jumping around. The amount of coupling between incestuous classes and methods born out of "breaking up the code" makes it incredibly difficult to refactor.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tD5NrevFtbU

[karmakurtisaani]

I think people get hung up with the small classes/methods and ignore all the rest. One important lesson being that the aesthetics do matter and you have to pay attention to writing maintainable code. These are important lessons for a beginning developer. If you think otherwise, you've never worked on a code base which has 300 line functions with variables named temp, a and myVar.

Regarding short functions: yes, having them too short will absolutely cause problems. And you should not use this as an absolute rule. But when writing code it's very useful to keep this in mind in order to keep things simple - when you see your functions doing 3 independent things, maybe it's time to break ivt in 3 sub functions.

Edit: I see some criticism concerning too small classes, class variables being used as de facto global variables and shitty inheritance. Fully agree that these are plain bad practices stemming from the OOP craze.

[whstl]

Sure, but nobody is saying that aesthetics don't matter. Quite the opposite. People have been saying this for decades, and even government agencies have code-style guidelines. Also, the idea that big procedures are problematic is as old as procedural programming itself.

The problem is that, when it comes to aesthetics, one of the two more-or-less-novel ideas of the book (and the one that is followed religiously by practitioners) is downright problematic when followed to the letter.

> when you see your functions doing 3 independent things, maybe it's time to break it in 3 sub functions

That's true, and I agree! But separation of concerns doesn't have much to do with 10-lines-per-method. The "One Level of Abstraction per Function" section, for example, provides a vastly better heuristic for good function-size than the number of lines, but unfortunately it's a very small part of the book.

> I see some criticism concerning [...] class variables being used as de facto global variables

The criticism is actually about the book recommending transforming local variables into instance/object variables... here's the quote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42489167

[lokar]

If the 3 things are related such that they will only ever be called in order one after the other (and they are not really complex) it’s better to just do all the work together.

[whstl]

Yep, if they're related then I agree 100%.

[sfpotter]

But this line of thinking is exactly what's wrong with Clean Code. Just seeing your function doing three independent things is not a signal that you should begin refactoring.

I've worked on code bases with functions that were longer than 300 lines with shorter variable names. Whether this is a problem is completely dependent on the context. If the function is 300 lines of highly repetitive business logic where the variable name "x" is used because the author was too lazy to type out a longer, more informative variable name, then maybe it's possible to improve the function by doing some refactoring.

On the other hand, if the function is an implementation of a complicated numerical optimization algorithm, there is little duplicated logic, the logic is all highly specific to the optimization algorithm, and the variable name "x" refers to the current iterate, then blindly applying Clean Code dogma will likely make the code harder to understand and less efficient.

I think the trick here is to cultivate an appreciation for when it's important to start refactoring. I see some patterns in when inexperienced developers begin refactoring these two examples.

In the first example, the junior developer is usually a little unmoored and doesn't have the confidence to find something useful to do. They see some repetitive things in a function and they decide to refactor it. If this function has a good interface (in the sense of the book---is a black box, understanding the implementation not required), refactoring may be harmful. They run the risk of broadening and weakening the interface by introducing a new function. Maybe they accidentally change the ABI. If you have only changed the implementation, if no one spends any time looking at the details of this function because it has a good interface, ... what's been gained?

In the second example, the junior developer is usually panicked and confused by a Big Complicated Function that's too hard for them to understand. They conflate their lack of understanding with the length and complexity of the function. This can easily be a sign of their lack of expertise. A person with appropriate domain knowledge may have no trouble whatsoever reading the 300 line function if it's written using the appropriate idioms etc. But if they refactor it, it now becomes harder to understand for the expert working on it because 1) it's changed and 2) it may no longer be as idiomatic as it once was.