[xvector]

Yeah, with this mentality, we wouldn't have electricity today. You will never make transition to new technology painless, no matter what you do. (See: https://pessimistsarchive.org)

What you are likely doing, though, is making many more future humans pay a cost in suffering. Every day we delay longevity escape velocity is another 150k people dead.

[lewhoo]

There was a time when in the name of progress people were killed for whatever resources they possessed, others were enslaved etc. and I was under the impression that the measure of our civilization is that we actually DID care and just how much. It seems to me that you are very eager to put up altars of sacrifice without even thinking that the problems you probably have in mind are perfectly solvable without them.

[smokedetector1]

By far the greatest issue facing humanity today is wealth inequality.

[xvector]

Nah, it's death. People objectively are doing better than ever despite wealth inequality. By all metrics - poverty, quality of life, homelessness, wealth, purchasing power.

I'd rather just... not die. Not unless I want to. Same for my loved ones. That's far more important than "wealth inequality."

[esafak]

You don't mind living in a country with a population of billions [sic], piled on top of one another? You don't mind living a country ruled by gerontocracy and probably autocracy, because that's what you'll eventually get without death to flush them out.

Senescence is an adaptation.

[xvector]

"You/your loved ones should die because Elon would die too" is a terrible argument. It's not great, but it's not worth dying over. New rich bad people would take his place anyways.

"You should die because cities will get crowded" is a less terrible argument but still a bad one. We have room for at least double our population on this planet, couples choosing longevity can be required to have <=1 children until there is room for more, we will eventually colonize other planets, etc.

All this is implying that consciousness will continue to take up a meaningful amount of physical space. Not dying in the long term implies gradual replacement and transfer to a virtual medium at some point.

[smokedetector1]

> People objectively are doing better than ever despite wealth inequality. By all metrics - poverty, quality of life, homelessness, wealth, purchasing power.

If you take this as an axiom, it will always be true ;).