[grumpycamel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9n77DPJ7AE

This guy has a very accessible take on the proper United Nations definition of genocide and how it applies to the Gaza and Ukraine war.

Gemini summary:

>>>> This video discusses the definition of genocide and its application to current events. The speaker argues that many people misuse the term to describe any atrocity, while genocide specifically refers to the intent to eliminate a group of people. The speaker uses the examples of the war in Gaza and the arrest warrant for Vladimir Putin to illustrate this point. They argue that while there are many civilian casualties in Gaza, it's unclear if there's an intent to eliminate the entire Palestinian people. In contrast, Putin's forced deportation of Ukrainian children to Russia aligns more clearly with the definition of genocide. The speaker emphasizes the importance of using the term accurately to avoid diluting its meaning and to properly address serious crimes. <<<<

[afiori]

This take is only possible if you trust anything Tel Aviv says with no fact checking

Israel is:

- blockading humanitarian aid

- targeting UN and aid workers (more that half of all deaths of UN personnel in war zones happened in Gaza in the last 14 months)

- starving the population by blocking food from entering Gaza

- bombing every hospital

- destroying almost every building in the strip.

- already selling beachfront land for planned settlements

- Holding thousands of children hostage in administrative detention without any charges

- carrying terror campaign in the West Bank

- explicitly applying a strategy of collective punishment against the entire population (matching the definition of terrorism)

This computing over the already inhuman apartheid regime in the West Bank

I would posit that counting all children Putin illegally deported you get less that half of the numbers of children killed or kidnapped by the Israeli army

[okokhacker]

So Putin wouldn’t be committing a genocide if he returned the children and started bombing 90% of the buildings in Ukraine?

Got it!

[clydethefrog]

Anders Puck Nielsen is a Danish military analyst and naval captain at the Royal Danish Defence College, he is not a human rights lawyer. I will trust the organisations and experts that have studied human rights in deciding if a genocide is occuring.

[Sammi]

That's an impossible standard, and by it you should also stop having opinions on this matter.

[clydethefrog]

Isn’t this the standard in all fields? I trust the top scientists at the Large Hadron Collider to define the presence of a Higgs boson, I trust the doctors of the WHO to define if a pandemic is occurring. These strongly defined terms need experts.