[vips7L]

The ecosystem factor is real. I was looking at implementing the SCIM protocol [0] in our user management app, and if we were on Spring I could have just added an Apache boot-starter dependency and been done in a few days. However my company uses the Play framework and it’s going to take me weeks to implement it by hand.

[0] https://scim.cloud

[throwaway03452]

If I ever found a startup I will mandate that we use Spring Boot (java/kotlin) until we grow big enough to afford the extra overhead with other frameworks. Spring Boot is truly a Get Stuff Done framework

It would be hard to convince some people of this, because "everyone knows Spring is enterprise". Unfortunately many only have experience with legacy companies, bad code or through reading old blog articles, and base their opinions on that.

It's actually something you need to have experienced yourself to recognize the possibilities.

It may sound strange, but I enjoy going through the long list of projects in the Spring web site. I almost always find something cool and is surprised at how much they can simplify complex functionality

The learning threshold is also relatively low, because they tend to use common best practices in the framework.

[vips7L]

I’ve spoken about this before but choosingg Play and not Spring has been my companies biggest mistake. It has lead us down so many half documented custom solutions that would have just worked out of the box if we had chosen the more popular stack.

I like Kotlin, but the lack of checked exceptions really kills it for me. Exception safety is a bigger thing for me than null safety.