[bravetraveler]

Don't take my "hypotheticals are fun" statement as encouragement, you're making up more situations.

We are discussing the service choosing for users. My point is we can use another service to do what we want. Where there is a will, there is a way.

To your point, time and place. My argument is that this posturing amounts to framing legitimate uses as thought crime, punished before opportunity.

It's entirely performative. An important performance, no doubt. Thoughts and prayers despite their actions; if not replaced, still easier to jailbreak than a fallen-over fence.

[krisoft]

> Don't take my "hypotheticals are fun" statement as encouragement

I didn't. I took it as nonsense and ignored it.

> you're making up more situations.

I'm illustrating my point.

> We are discussing the service choosing for users.

The service choosing for the service. Same as starbucks is not obligated to serve you yak milk, the LLM providers are not obligated to serve you florid descriptions of violence. It is their choice.

> My point is we can use another service to do what we want

Great. Enjoy!

> It's entirely performative. An important performance, no doubt. Thoughts and prayers despite their actions; if not replaced, still easier to jailbreak than a fallen-over fence.

Further nonsense.

[bravetraveler]

Disappointing, I don't think autonomy is nonsense at all. The position 'falcor' opened with is nonsense, in my opinion. It's weak and moralistic, 'solved' (as well as anything really can be) by systems already in place. You even mentioned them! Moderation didn't disappear.

I mistakenly maintained the 'hyperbole' while trying to express my point, for that I apologize. Reality - as a whole - is alarming. I focused too much on this aspect. I took the mention of display/publication as a jump to absolute controls on creation or expression.

I understand why an organization would/does moderate; as an individual it doesn't matter [as much]. This may be central to the alignment problem, if we were to return on topic :) I'm not going to carry on, this is going to be unproductive. Take care.