[sudhirj]

A lot of sci-fi already makes this premise. The bright future is not one of concrete and metal, it’s sunsets and trees and lakes tended to by invisible robots, with all the ugly machines, generators and data centres buried deep in rock.

[Loughla]

I like the future offered by Iain Banks in the culture series.

Nature isn't 'natural'by any sense of the word. But the advanced machines all tend to show an interest in maintaining natural spaces for humans to enjoy. And the machines are part of the beauty as well!

[euroderf]

No Mind wants to be responsible for a wholly Brutalist petting zoo.

[WillAdams]

Or, a fully biologic solution, even for a space habitat as was envisioned in John Varley's "Gaea" Trilogy: _Titan_, _Wizard_, and _Demon_.

[zabzonk]

To quibble a little Gaea is not fully biological. For instance, at one point a particle accelerator is mentioned as being in the ship's shell, and both the original (well, latest) Gaea entity and later Gaby are obviously running on some giant supercomputer somewhere. The inhabitants (crew?) are certainly biological, though.

[WillAdams]

Where does mechanism end and biology begin when the entirety of the structure was made from an "egg" which was sent off to mine a nearby moon? (possibly extending the rings still more)

[zabzonk]

nanotech? some things are very weird, for example when the physical (or are the human astronauts the same as they were on Earth? no they are not - see Gene for example) Gaby dies and is transported to the hub. what is going on there? and when she appears to Rocky? none of this is ever made clear, and I guess Shirley was making much of it as he went along, which is what novelists do.

I think you could argue that they (humans) all died when the Ringmaster was grabbed by the Gaea entity, and they are now all living in a simulation.

[WillAdams]

I don't like the simulation idea --- that's a very different story, see Vernor Vinge's novella "The Cookie Monster" or the short story "Lena":

https://qntm.org/lena

There was so much effort to do things biologically, that that needs to be an aspect of the story. Another author, more grounded who also wrote about such ideas was Hal Clement, see his short stories, "The Mechanic" and "Raindrop" (which are still relevant today).

[zabzonk]

ah well, the wonder of science fiction - not to be disparaging! and thanks for reminding me about clement.

[qingcharles]

In Arthur C. Clarke's 3001 they have velociraptors as gardeners and babysitters. When are we getting that?