[itsanaccount]

And what I'm saying is I understand that perspective. I think you can do that song and dance going back 80 years. You can watch all these people, all these witnesses, all these videos and pictures (and a complete and stunning absence of military radar data) and you can explain to them, each and every single one of them how they're wrong, how its swamp gas reflected off Venus, and in each individual case you might be right. When the video gets too good you can blame it on computer generated graphics.

But that doesn't match my experience, of pilots, of lifetime military officers, of people as a whole, that they're all incompetent or crazy or hoaxers. At some point I think that level of myopic-skepticism moves towards the absurd and cannot be maintained any longer.

[ceejayoz]

Being competent in one thing doesn't make you competent in everything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_disease

Each of the videos you linked to have extremely plausible, fairly mundane explanations other than "aliens". That fits the pattern. That you find them compelling as evidence of extraterrestrials is not a great sign.

> When the video gets too good you can blame it on computer generated graphics.

The corollary here is the unfortunate fact that as soon as everyone got a camera in their pocket, aliens stopped landing in random cornfields to say hi to lonely farmers.

[itsanaccount]

> That you find them compelling as evidence of extraterrestrials is not a great sign.

That I post here a few easily accessible videos of interest on what is an enormous history that I have spent the past few years reading about tells me more about the lack of respect you immediately have for anyone on the topic.

> to lonely farmers.

That the public's UFO hysteria of the 1940s and 50s was originated entirely within the US military is similarly a fact of history I wouldn't expect you to know.

I think the thing watching the UFO topic has taught more more than any other is how aggressively and reflexively people of all levels of intelligence will hug their worldview.

[ceejayoz]

Respect is earned. If I claim to be able to fly, and send you several links to me flying that are easily explicable, conclusions can be drawn.

> That the public's UFO hysteria of the 1940s and 50s was originated entirely within the US military is similarly a fact of history I wouldn't expect you to know.

The 1940s military had a hell of a lot of former farmers in it. The days of fighter pilots needing college degrees came in the 70s/80s; Chuck Yeager was a farm (!) kid who became a mechanic with the war.

That the UFO hysteria coincides with the rise of commercial air travel is both known to me and entirely unsurprising, and no more compelling to me than witch hysteria in the 1600s, which often came with similarly compelling witness testimony.

[Aloisius]

> pilots, of lifetime military officers, of people as a whole, that they're all incompetent or crazy or hoaxers.

You don't have to be incompetent, crazy or a hoaxer to be confused, fooled or mistaken.

[ceejayoz]

Or "haven't slept in 24 hours taking amphetamines to stay awake in combat". https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7661838/