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because if we do not, we are falling on the mercy of foreigners who cannot be trusted. China's value system is basically contradictory to ours - most nations' are - so the world will not go our way unless we, or one of a few close allies, are the foremost power.

[i_love_retros]

So america has good values and can be trusted?

Ha! How many civilians have been killed in the last 50 years by the american military vs the Chinese?

[_bin_]

America has better values than most countries. And Americans should generally trust America more than foreign countries and certainly more than the chinese government.

here are some civilian deaths within china:

- land reform killed 1-4.7 million

- campaign to suppress counterrevolutionaries killed 712k-2mm

- three-anti and five-anti campaigns killed at least 100k

- sufan movement killed ~53k

- anti-rightist campaign killed 550k-2mm

- '59 tibetan uprising killed 87k

- violence in the great chinese famine killed 2.5mm

- socialist education movement killed 77k

- guanxi massacre killed 100-150k

- inner mongolia incident killed 15-100k

- yangjiang massacre killed 3.5k

- daoxian massacre killed 9k

- ruijin massacre killed 1k

- zhao jianmin spy case killed 17k

- shadian incident killed 1.6k

- tiananmen square protests & massacre killed 200-10k

that's just a sample. this doesn't show the ongoing genocides, the economic colonization of SE asia and africa, the abuses of chinese-supported states (DPRK, burmese junta, naval intervention in libya, etc.)

objectively the American system seems to work out much better and is based on vastly superior principles.

all that aside, I am an American and place the interests of my people ahead of those of foreigners. as such, I will support a world order led by the government most likely to maximize our welfare and very nearly any means needed to preserve that.

[suraci]

LOL

> all that aside, I am an American and place the interests of my people ahead of those of foreigners. as such, I will support a world order led by the government most likely to maximize our welfare and very nearly any means needed to preserve that.

The last sentence you said explained what you said above, it also explained many other *Amerikkans* minds

Interestingly, even the most loyal and fervent American imperialists have to find some ridiculous moral excuses.

Despise your hypocrisy, but appreciate your honesty.

[BLKNSLVR]

Not a question to you personally, but I find it interesting that US Companies were so eager for short term profitability that they basically handed China an obvious manufacturing win for a good few decades.

China is the powerhouse it is today because it was essentially funded by US greed.

It's actually pretty funny (if I look at it like a movie script rather than real life - which is a coping mechanism) watching the US tying itself into pretzel shapes around things like free speech and general values of "freedom" that it's espoused for it's couple of centuries because it's chickens (bats?) have come home to roost, and they're shitting everywhere making people unhealthy.