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I learned a lot more about this discussing the PCI/DSS [0] regulation framework here [1]. It's about to change to a new 4.0 in 2025 which means that to use or run any payments system you'll have to meet ever more stringent regulation. This is going to start applying to other pseudo currencies (in game value tokens etc) if they exceed certain value and scale. At present Visa and Mastercard have a big stake in defining this (capturing the regulator).

Interestingly local real (non-digital) currencies like the Brixton Pound [2] and other local paper scrip seem to escape this, which seems a boost for paper technologies.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payment_Card_Industry_Data_Sec...

[1] https://cybershow.uk/episodes.php?id=36

[2] https://brixtonpound.org/

[lxgr]

PCI-DSS is an industry standard, not a law. If you don't think it should apply to your domain, complain to your legislators/regulators, not the authors of PCI-DSS or the payment industry covered by it!

> Interestingly local real (non-digital) currencies like the Brixton Pound [2] and other local paper scrip seem to escape this

And so do countless other digital (non-real?) payment systems across the globe. That's not to say that there aren't any other security regulations, but they're also most certainly not in PCI scope.

Arguably, the original sin of the card payments industry in particular, and US American banking in general, is treating account numbers as bearer tokens, i.e. secret information; if you don't do that, it turns out that a lot of things become much easier when it comes to security. (The industry has successfully transitioned of that way of doing things for card-present payments, but for card-absent, i.e. online, card transactions, the efforts weren't nearly as successful yet.)

[feldrim]

There is some confusion in that comment.

- PCI DSS 4.0 is already in place and to be retired on December 31, 2024. PCI DSS 4.0.1 is the replacement and I place already.

- PCI DSS 4.0.1 and game tokens have nothing in common. The applicability of PCI DSS requirements are decided by card brands, aka Visa, Mastercard, etc. And it is the acquirers to enforce on the third party service providers to enforce the standard. Standard itself has no power on anyone.

- Mastercard and Visa have high stakes because technically they are the regulators. EMV Co, the core of the payments was built by Europay (later acquired by Mastercard), Mastercard and Visa. The M and V of it are managing the chip on cards, online payments and much more. PCI SSC is merely a supervisory authority who sets the standard, the process of assessments and investigations on behalf of these brands.

Side note: While the other card brands accept PCI DSS as an entry level requirement, they do not have as much saying on it as Mastercard and Visa.

[feldrim]

* in place