[GiorgioG]

> DevOps and SRE thinking

DevOps thinking is exactly what got us into this IaC mess we're in now. Back in the day (like 15 years ago), things were actually simpler - you were either dev or ops, period. But then K8s and all that jazz came along, and suddenly we need this whole army of "DevOps engineers" just to keep the lights on and make everything 10x more complicated than it needs to be. And please don't say "yes but the cloud changed everything" - no someone made the cloud more complicated than it needed/needs to be and thanks to ZIRP, companies just kept hiring DevOps 'engineers'.

I've seen this multiple times: Management looks at this circus and goes "Let's make all each dev team handle their own DevOps crap." Meanwhile, they're telling the actual DevOps engineers to go back to focusing on ops. What was even the point of this whole transformation if we're just creating more specialists and dumping more complexity on developers' plate?

The whole thing has basically turned into its own monster that needs constant feeding. We didn't need all this overhead before, but here we are, drowning in YAML and dealing with infrastructure that's way more complex than the actual problems we're trying to solve.

I can't wait for Design Token Engineers to become a thing /s

[nsonha]

Design System Engineer/Designer is already a thing

[kaelig]

Thank you for sharing — sounds like we've had different experiences but I can absolutely see how poorly implemented devops is worse than well-implemented ops.

I've written about operationalizing design and design/engineering collaboration for a while now, and work at a frontend cloud PaaS... So I appreciate hearing from folks outside of my own bubble!

The path from idea to production was arduous for frontend and design back in these days. I for one appreciate being able to deploy frontend changes to production in just a few minutes, which the cloud + SRE + DevOps mindsets have helped democratize.

[GiorgioG]

In your 'about', you have worked with/at well-respected tech companies. I suspect they had significant investment in their DevOps teams and that has not been my experience at large non-tech companies in my career. Our differing experiences make sense when thinking about it in that context.