| > Your response is chock full of weird distortions like this -- way too many to unpack and patiently analyze. No it isn't. If you can't explain what the issue is with my logic then what you are saying is utterly unconvincing. I was largely correct about everything I have claimed. I will grant you I may get minutia wrong, but that doesn't take away from the general point that I am making. > Point being: if this is how the truth gets mangled and distorted inside your own head; or you simply choose not to vet and fact-check your sources, at least once in a while -- then that's a situation which you've created for yourself. Not the doing of some totalitarian government, or any other kind of external bully. No what you are doing is known as gas-lighting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting What you are essentially trying to convince me that I am crazy. I am quite familiar with this form argumentation and I don't appreciate it. I will redirect you back to the point that was being discussed, because you made several accusations towards me that just aren't true and I am not going bother to address them after you tried gas-lighting me. All I am going to tell you is that I actively avoid news sites these days as I agree they omit information to suit a narrative. The point being discussed was whether people an alarming number of people were being imprisoned for speech in the UK. Some people have compared Russia and the UK. Russia is ran essentially by a dictator, the UK is a constitution Monarchy and is considered to be modern democracy. The UK is supposed to be better in regards to Russia in a vast number of things, one of those being human rights. There are three simple facts: * People in the UK can be and have been punished for speech. * People in Russia can be and have been punished for speech. * There is evidence that there are less people per capita being arrested and prosecuted in the Russia for speech than the UK. This has been reported on by a number of news sources which looks like it has come from official numbers. It does not matter to me what rationale is used for justify that punishment is, I don't believe people should be punished for speech outside of very specific criteria e.g. direct calls for violence (that quote your provided from Richard Medhurst wouldn't fall under that btw) or defamation. What exact bullshit legislation people have been charged under is something I don't care about. I don't make the distinction. I believe it is to create a chilling effect, and allow the two major parties to prosecute their political rivals. e.g. There was even talk of prosecuting Nigel Farage (one of the eternal boogiemen) shortly after this year election as the media were trying to pretend he was somehow the cause of the riots earlier this year. I don't like him, but he didn't cause the riots. |
Then that's an irreconcilable difference between us. I happen to think that factual details matter and are very important. Moral narratives, not so much.
What you are essentially trying to convince me that I am crazy.
No, I'm just pointing out some very basic logical gaps in some of the stuff you were saying. Which would suggest that you are, at worst, perhaps a bit underinformed about certain things. Or otherwise not taking as critical an eye to the various media sources you ingest as you perhaps could be.
That's all that need be said. I recommend we give this topic a rest, and move onto other threads.