[paweladamczuk]

> No is supposed to mean no

One counterargument is that nobody forces you to use their services.

I think the root problem is that nobody produces personal hardware over which the average person could conveivably assume full control. I'm not even sure it's possible, given how advanced the computer technology is.

[majewsky]

> One counterargument is that nobody forces you to use their services.

Not specifically Microsoft, but more and more government services are accessible only through apps that are only offered through Apple's App Store or Google's Play Store. (Either directly, or because a generically eID app is used.) So in this case, I am absolutely forced to agree to either Apple's or Google's ToS to interact with my government.

[eikenberry]

I'm assuming those applications are hardcoded to use either Apple or Google (respectively) as the passkey service provider? IE. that the problem is that they don't allow you to configure your own 3rd party passkey service?

[mistrial9]

no you are seeing the easy ramp access pushed on you.. government is unique (in the USA) that it is required by law to be accessible to citizens including disability etc.. you can do almost anything using some (terrible,slow,error filled) paper process IMHO .. and there is a systemic reason why this will remain true, even as they push "one phone,one person" dystopia

[hahn-kev]

There are other countries

[mystified5016]

No one is holding a gun to your head, no. But ij a lot of ways, you are required to use these services to participate in society.

My job forces me to use Google and Microsoft because that's what the entire industry is built on. Should I uproot my entire family's lives so I can move across state to find a new job? Is that a reasonable compromise to make so I don't have to complain about windows?