[psychoslave]

Until the day we can point to a country that implements a direct democracy with a fair way to obtain citizenship for whoever is involved in its society, all laws will always remain a tool of a minority to arbitrarily rule a majority.

The concern is not whether laws are rights or wrongs, but which privileges and which hurts they reinforce for which classes in the society where the national myth is eager to present them as the applied rules.

[Dracophoenix]

> Until the day we can point to a country that implements a direct democracy with a fair way to obtain citizenship for whoever is involved in its society, all laws will always remain a tool of a minority to arbitrarily rule a majority.

There's Switzerland.

[psychoslave]

Switzerland definitely shows interesting political paths, they nonetheless don’t pretend to be a direct democracy.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/democracy/swiss-democracy-in-an...

[tossandthrow]

Why the mixup of a well functioning democracy and a direct democracy?

[psychoslave]

For the same reason we might want to distinguish between well functioning government and direct democracy.

First, direct democracy is kind of a pleonasma, that is in its core democracy has to put equals duties and means to all its citizens. It's clear probably why such a system can easily attract masses, as it promises to maintain political power in the hands of those who have to obey it. Note that this definition insist more on duties and means, which is a very different promise from a populist statement on "righteous rights for everyone thanks to a turn key plan you don't even need to investigate on applicability". People certainly are interested with more democracy, so their slavers scam them with all kind of system under the label democracy which never give them these duties and means that you can expect to see attached to an effective democratic citizen.

[tossandthrow]

The initial proposition was that it is pedantry to distinguish between the quality of the killing when the form of governance is not a well functioning democracy - something that would appear to be well established as the US has no issues going into other countries and kill leaders under the argument that it is not democracies.

The question is not so much the quality of the US democracy but to what extend it can even be classified as a well functioning democracy.

The US resembles an oligarchy, and when the laws are written by the rich and profit seeking that will affect how killings are perceived such as killing in the name of corporate profits will become alright.