[utopicwork]

"But what if someone wants to kill themselves its against their rights for them to be restricted from doing so" We dont need to make it easier for people to kill themselves we need it to be easier to live a fulfilling life so they don't want to

[moribvndvs]

From the article:

> Nearly all of those who requested assisted dying - around 96% - had a foreseeable natural death. The remaining 4% were granted euthanasia due to having a long-term chronic illness and where a natural death was not imminent. The average age of those seeking assisted dying was around 77 years old, with cancer being the most frequent underlying medical condition.

It’s ridiculous to jump to a conclusion that these are simply people that aren’t “fulfilled” enough.

[utopicwork]

Im not jumping to conclusions. The state wants disabled people dead instead of helping us. "Natural death" does a lot of heavy lifting for healthcare systems that kill us by a million papercuts

[moribvndvs]

Yes, you are. First, you insinuated that these people died for a lack of fulfilling lives that was somehow withheld from them. Who are you to say none of them were fulfilled, or that there is some magic cure for mortality and the uncertainties of life? Now you’re doubling down by suggest this is some ulterior motive by the government to kill disabled people. If that’s not a huge jump to a conclusion then I don’t know what is.

You’ll get no argument from me that “the system”–whether it’s private or public–has put expediency over the dignified lives of its denizens. After all, I live in the US with dwindling few social nets and a for-profit healthcare system that quite purposely and openly prioritizes profitability over health and wellbeing, and uses our suffering as profit streams. But I will not make the mistake of conflating this with the idea that assisted dying is purposeful state-sanctioned murder. In fact, that detestable point of view is one that wishes to deprive me of perhaps one of the few choices I might have when the time comes, that wants to force me to endure suffering, all because some other person doesn’t feel the same way as a result of personal, religious, or whatever other reasons.

I’ll stand with you if the state wants to kill anyone that wants to live, but against you if you wish to deprive me or any independent individual their autonomy.

[deepburner]

Good luck helping somebody paralyzed from the neck down live a fulfilling life.

[tivert]

> Good luck helping somebody paralyzed from the neck down live a fulfilling life.

Honestly, you seem to suffer from a lack of imagination. There are famous examples of people profoundly paralyzed who most likely lived fulfilling lives (e.g. Stephen Hawking), and I believe there's research the people's happiness tends to return to baseline after both very good and very bad events.

[wiseowise]

How many paralyzed with fulfilling life do you know personally?

[TylerE]

Please don't trivialize peoples stuggles by offering pithy anecdotes.

[karencarits]

I read his comment as an attempt to add nuance; people paralyzed from the neck down have various experiences. For example, in this study [1], only 12% of those with tetraplegy rated their quality of life as poor or very poor

[1] https://www.termedia.pl/Quality-of-life-in-patients-with-tet...

[tivert]

> Please don't trivialize peoples stuggles by offering pithy anecdotes.

I think you're mistaken, I didn't trivialize anything.

If anything's being trivialized, it was the value of quadriplegic people, who some internet rando blithely declared as all being incapable of having a "fulfilling life."