[FullGarden_S]

>Odin’s creator has some strong opinions around not prioritizing LSPs and QoL tools around Odin.

no, he does not. He just doesn't use LSP but never did he ever oppose QoL tools.

Odin has great support for LSP and they are working on other tools as well. Do note that Odin doesn't have a foundation like Rust or Zig so their pace of development will be at their own discretion. Please don't expect it to be similar to Zig or other well funded languages.

[dartos]

I recall a thread from a few years ago where people were saying that zig had better LSO support than Odin and saying that Odin should prioritize that more.

I recall gingerBill saying that he’d rather work on the language than adoption. Which is a fine position to have.

Never did I say he was morally against LSPs or anything, just that he has strong opinions on prioritizing its development vs the language itself.

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I’m trying to be very clear.

The Odin lsp I found (ols) is not official and not made by gingerBill. Which, again, is fine. It’s good that the community took up the burden of making an LSP.

[do_not_redeem]

> The Odin lsp I found (ols) is not official and not made by gingerBill

FWIW it's the same for Zig. ZLS is not official and not made by andrewrk.

[FullGarden_S]

>Please don’t put words in my mouth. I’m trying to be very clear.

my bad then

>The Odin lsp I found (ols) is not official and not made by gingerBill. Which, again, is fine

Ginger Bill is just the creator of the language. He is already hands full with the front end and back end of the language alone. You pointing out "its fine" makes it seem like you expect him to work on LSP, web site, marketing and everything else all by himself, which he can't and I personally think he won't. LSP is a big mess and it is alright to not prioritize LSP and focus on working on the core language itself, especially if marketing is not a serious concern.

[dartos]

Again, please don’t put words in my mouth. That’s what both your comments are doing.

For example: > You pointing out "its fine" makes it seem like you expect him to work on LSP, web site, marketing and everything else all by himself

How you extrapolated all that from me saying “it’s fine” is beyond me.

I’m not here to argue, just to state my opinion that both language creators are pretty nice people with some particular opinions.

I literally said that it’s fine that ols is community made. I even said it’s good that the community is willing to put in that work.

I also passed no judgement on his choice to not prioritize an LSP.

Take your outrage elsewhere, please.

[Suppafly]

honestly, that sounds like a 'normal' opinion, not a strong one.

[dartos]

I don’t mean strong as in weird and out there.

I mean strong as in I don’t believe his opinion will be easily swayed.

[dismalaf]

> no, he does not. He just doesn't use LSP but never did he ever oppose QoL tools.

He's somewhat against package managers (doesn't want Odin ecosystem turning into NPM or Crates.io where a single package draws in a thousand dependencies).

But yeah, Odin's LSP is used by most Odin users, including staff at JangaFX.

[FullGarden_S]

>He's somewhat against package managers

yes and that is a design decision.

Its not just the dependencies bloatware, there is also an issue of accidentally pulling in a GLP license code base and several others. But if one wishes to make a package manager for Odin, they can do so and other Odin users may use it if they found it to be really helpful but from what I know, Ginger Bill will never officially support it as it doesn't align with his vision of the language.

[gingerBill]

There is nothing in the design of Odin that prevents a package manager from being created, in fact quite the opposite.

The decision, which is not design per se, is to not have an OFFICIAL package manager, nor even endorse a third party one.