[herval]

I tried both extensively (have the full FSD package on my Model 3). FSD still feels suicidal in a good day, plain incapable on average.

I can’t imagine how someone would compare it to a multi-sensor setup - a single camera can’t match the level of prescience a Waymo or Cruise have. But also as the overall experience is just absurdly different. Waymo was the first tech thing I felt was truly magical in _decades_.

Meanwhile the best I can get out of Tesla FSD is straight highways. And even there, there’s random glitches (the forever annoying ghost braking being the one that makes me feel particularly unsafe with it)

[delabay]

Interesting, I use FSD for two hours a day and I can relate to none of what you have said.

[karlgkk]

Certain routes and models are infamous for this. I recently got a 12.5 demo from a friend that was both impressive when it worked, and truly horrendous when it didn’t. And yes, we had a phantom break event - which appeared to be due to windy road conditions. That’s inexcusable tbqh

The problem is that at the end of the day, enough people still have serious issues and Tesla wildly oversells the capability of their system.

I think they’ll “get there” in terms of functionality and reliability but it’s nowhere near what waymo is reporting