[katbyte]

None of that will do anything if we get into a runaway feedback loop where all the carbon is coming from natural sources. The change is speeding up.

The time to act was 60 years ago but Reagan and oil interests put profit over planet.

The last time to act was the last decade or so, as it appears we are too late and the us about to floor the gas pedal on oil instead of green tech.

[melling]

Lyndon Johnson was president 60 years ago.

I always like to start 40 years ago with Carl Sagan

https://youtu.be/Wp-WiNXH6hI?si=2UJST6T6IBkHtZTq

[katbyte]

Yea I ball parked it whenever the epa was told by Reagan to not do anything about carbon is when I start the clock

[gremlinsinc]

I start it with neoliberalism which really picked up steam with Nixon. But even Clinton and Obama were neoliberals every president since Nixon was neoliberal just with different social issues (divide and conquer the plebes). Globalization and exponential consumerism.

before 1990 you buy a phone like corded even cordless and they still work today if you have a landline.

Now I need a new phone every 3 years. All electronics are made to be replaced not to last and that just makes business sense but not very good environmental sense.