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by rosmax_1337 559 days ago
No, it's not too reductive to claim that immigration has lead to problems. It's quite plainly obvious at this point.

The only reason why ones mind will struggle to grasp this is because you understand that there are severe consequences for openly criticizing immigration. Your mind will conjure "nuances" to allow you to avoid confronting the idea that something has to change, and allow you to remain socially, financially, even legally safe. As you live here in Sweden you will be aware of the number of people sentenced to prison for criticizing immigration, due to the hate speech legislation here.

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It's too reductive to claim that immigration didn't cause problems, and it's too reductive to claim that immigration is the source of most of the problems.
What do you think causes the problems?
It being a taboo topic prevents real discussion.

The cause is a single genetically and socially society allowing mass immigration but not changing society to match the newcomers and/or not selecting newcomers based on culture similarities and/or not bridging the divide.

When you make a mass immigration commitment you need to follow it up with tons of work/money/education/discussion. That's why it fails in Europe but succeeds elsewhere. Then they make it impossible to succeed by limiting discussion and calling it hate speech.

North America has two different approaches. Leave who you are behind and become an American. Keep who you are and become Something/Canadian. Sweden wants it both ways.. leave who you are behind but never become Swedish.

Do you think the average Swede wanted mass immigration?
No I think the ruling class did. It was a bad decision to try to copy the US without the culture to support it.
All the usuals: drugs, cost of living, unemployment, inequality, radicalization, etc. Immigration is one of many.
Sweden had these issues before migration, yet not the same disastrous societal result.
Sweden and the world have changed drastically in the past 4 years. Inflation, war, COVID, populism, etc.
Your characterisation of my motivation is not correct.

I’m considered racist because I am extremely critical of islam and think that it has no place in our increasingly secular societies.

If you think I’m scared of talking about immigration, you are unfathomably mistaken.

However you have to talk about each part properly, is migration causing significant social unrest and tension? Probably, I would argue yes.

Are migrants more likely to commit crime? No, not really, when accounting for other things like income.

I might be a racist, but it is important to be a correct racist.

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Check the site guidelines.

Also, I disagree.

To which guideline do you refer?
The entire section?

That’s not very helpful.

I can see that you've modified your comment. I will redact mine in turn.