[akira2501]

> The lack of explicit typing.

The JIT seems to figure it out just fine. Otherwise typeless programming is just a particular style and it's not particularly complicated just different. I've never understood this rationale in a language that does not have pointers.

[cardanome]

JS ist not typeless. In fact dynamic languages allow you to use very complex types that are not even possible to express in most static type systems. That is why TS needed to have such an advanced and complex type system to catch at least most of it's power.

You are right that dynamic typing is a valid style though and offers some great advantages but also disadvantages. That is why most dynamic languages have added gradual typing support to have the best of both worlds. The real issue is the weak typing in JS which is an design mistake in retrospect.

[jraph]

I was not arguing for explicit typing myself in the previous comment (I was just the messenger).

But now I'm going to. For context, I write code in both explicitly typed and not explicitly typed languages (mostly JS).

> The JIT seems to figure it out just fine.

And the CPU will figure out binary code just fine. But you won't. You can, but not easily. You are writing for the computer, but also in a way that you (and your peers, if applicable) will be able to work with the code: extend it, fix it, maintain it, make it evolve. "The runtime figures it out" is hardly an argument for the dev UX.

Explicit typing is one way among other things to document the code, and this is documentation that's automatically checked by the tooling, which is nice. Types are documentation that can't rot. I'd say, good to take.

"The JIT doesn't need this to figure out the types" also applies to documentation by the way. The runtime, however, doesn't need to understand the code, just to run it. But you need to understand the code when working on it.

Types can help you figure out what functions you can call on any particular variable, without having to have something similar to a complete stack trace in your mind to know which type is a variable.

Sometimes, you can't even have the complete stack trace, for example when you are working on a library called by user code, or when you are calling some black box library code from user code. It's nice having types that are automatically checked at the interfaces so you don't have to figure it out (which you may need to do by running the related code, noticing the return types and hoping for the best). Even if you are dealing only with code that you have access to, it's nice not to have to go read all the code of the other side each type.

Explicit types just make it easier and faster to understand code, and also to modify it. Without types, you need to "recompute" the type of anything you are dealing with, risking calling the wrong method if you do a mistake at this step. Of course, if you have solid testing in place, you will probably catch it, but with explicit typing, that's a mistake you can't do: it'll be in red in your editor, or an error at the type checking step, winning some time.

Explicit types lets you avoid having to re-figure out again and again types of things, and that's cognitive burden that's freed to give more room to focus on what the code actually does. They also help your IDE help you if you use one (or something like LSP).

if you are dealing with small pieces of code, it doesn't matter much: everything can be kept in your head anyway. For such code, explicit typing can be just noise. But for bigger code, types are a relief.

For me, a nice balance is explicit typing at the interfaces (function parameters and return types), and implicit typing inside the function body.

All in all, I think explicit types make me faster for anything more than a trivial amount of lines of code. So I have a strong case for explicit typing. But I don't have much for non explicit typing.

The only reason I can choose to write vanilla JS despite this is because Typescript more or less requires opening the NPM can of worms. Would browsers allow type annotation in JS, I would totally use them and have some type checking pass somewhere to enforce correctness.