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by dog436zkj3p7 564 days ago
I liked Pat and I think he should've been given a longer leash, but I feel the commenters here have been looking at the situation through rose tinted lenses, probably because Pat's PR very effectively presented him as an engineer and not a bean counter. In reality, his tenure was filled with disasters and not much measureable upside:

1) while expected, the process node issues haven't been resolved. Instead Intel had to rely on TSMC to push out a semi-competive mobile platform. 18a and other processes have been delayed and 20a outright cancelled under the guise of rapid 18a progress (how rapid can the progress be, when 18a was just delayed again?). And this is just what we know externally, the board must have much better info anyway. A far cry from the promised "5 nodes in 4 years" and more than remeniscent of the situation in the decade+ before.

2) Pat single handedly directly harmed Intel's bottom line on almost day 1 by trash talking Taiwan and partner TSMC (which was supposed to be their lifeline to gain access to competitive process nodes) in a tactless attempt to attract US government support. This resulted in TSMC cancelling the massive ~40% wafer discount for Intel's chips.

3) in line with his Larabee lineage, Pat invested significant resources into Gaudi AI accelerators and Arc discrete GPUs. Both uncompetitive, released borderline unusable with pathetic software support and on the verge of cancellation from day 1, which killed what little enthusiasm they might attract. Even the much smaller (employee # wise) AMD has been able to push out serviceable AI/GPU software and competitive DC cards for training and has been riding the AI wave on Nvidia's coattails; Intel just looks completely lost.

4) arrow lake, released years into his tenure, is characteristaly delayed, overpriced and uncompetitive. Software issues pushed the needle for the launch towards disaster.

5) raptor lake instability/degradation scandal and months long lies and embarrassing messaging from Intel's side making people literally avoid buying Intel CPUs

6) Epyc Turin just annihilated the most recent Xeon gen, making Intel further uncompetitive for DC/HPC on the CPU side for at least another year, but probably more.

7) lack of any timely decisive and proactive moves which Intel desperately needs. I can't identify a single area where Pat pushed hard and fought against the inertia. He might've been more honest about Intel's financial woes (through his unnecessary constant presence on business news channels), but if the situation was so bad, why did he do nothing but complain? Why did it take so long for him to cut the dividend or lay people off? If he cut the dividend on day 1 and made Arc his Manhattan project, he would be much more palatable, even if the project missed the AI wave. Instead, he seemed to spend time clamoring for political attention while projecting the exact image of Intel in 2010s: excuses, delays, and underwhelming products.

In totality, whatever Pat's been doing hasn't resulted in any real, tangible results. If anything, Intel's disasters have accelerated in frequency and scale under his helm and they've been losing ground at an accelerated rate everywhere, possible unrecoverably (mobile, graphics, desktop, DC/HPC). Of course, turning Intel around is a massive undertaking and as always, there have been glimpses of promise and innovation. But it doesn't feel fair to cherry pick the rare positives from the sea of negatives and assign them to Pat. Still, it's completely possible that the results of his work were just not seen yet and he should've been given more time - at this point, we'll never know.

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Think you're not wrong about these, but think this was the price of 5 nodes in 4 years (these stepping stone nodes are going to be pretty shaky). Yeah, think overall, Gelsinger's done a really good job where it's important, the technology.

Becausefrom what I've read on forums, by all accounts from the insiders, the technology behind 18A is incredible (gate all around transistors, backside power delivery, 3d Chip stacking...) and that in a year or two ,it should put Intel manufacturing a little ahead of TSMC.

Although, have also read that the one problem is that even 18A won't be profitable for a couple years. Yeah, that the problem with Gelsinger's original plan is that 3 years wasn't enough time to get to profitability, but 5-8 (but that it still is a good plan).

Theoretically, 18A is great and should be competitive with the N2 processes from TSMC which are ramping up next year. I would love to see it succeed. The worry is that Intel will get stuck in another 10nm/Intel 7 quagmire and we'll be talking about 15A or some other process in 2 years that will finally be the process Intel needs to take the lead after the 18A failure.

Pat's firing certainly doesn't inspire confidence for an external observer.

Absolutely correct. Intel has until the end of next year to get 18A shipping in volume (server and laptop) and external foundry customers on the node. If they do not then they will get chopped up and sold off around the middle of 2026.

Revenue:

2021 79.0B

2022 63.1B

2023 54.2B

TTM (2024) 54.2B

EBITDA

2021 34.1B

2022 21.3B

2023 11.2B

TTM (2024) 3.3B

Free Cash Flow

2021 9.1B

2022 -9.6B

2023 -14.3B

TTM (2024) -15.1B

Over the last 3 years, Revenue down 31.4% Operating Profit down 90.3% and utterly bleeding Cash.

it is pretty scary. they just need to hold things together for a while longer. hopefully it works out.
Yeah, I worry myself - actually invested some of my portfolio in Intel too, my original belief was so high - But, at least by the forums I checked out, the people who know the technology say it still is really good and on track:

https://semiwiki.com/forum/index.php?threads/intel-18a-too-g...

But of course, the sources may be biased/overly-optimistic/hiding-info.

Speaking only as a gamer, I think graphics cards might eventually pay off, but it's a market that will require something like 10 years of runway. It's going to take a long time to both make competitive cards and convince gamers they have value. Lots of pretty good AMD GPUs have struggled for marketshare.
Yes, Intel should've never allowed itself to fall so far behind the competition in the GPU space. It's never too late, but at this point this would be financially risky and would require an enormous resource investment concentrated on both gaming and compute, while possibly never paying off. As you mention, AMD is struggling against Nvidia too, and their GPU tech is solid. A viable strategy for Intel would probably require selling at cost or even at a loss, while offering significantly better specs (more VRAM than competition seems like a viable path right now, but the AI bubble might not last).

However, I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole Arc effort killed off before another year passes, in line with Intel's absolute inability to stay committed to a product line. There's probably a reason why discrete Arc only appeared once Pat was in charge and I wouldn't be surprised to see it gone with his departure.

Killing Arc would be very MBA brained. They already have to develop GPU IP for laptop chips. It's a volume game and AMD realized that developing one CPU chiplet for the whole portfolio.