[Simon_ORourke]

> * how will Turkey negotiate with this facing the pkk and Kurdish nationalism?

Hopefully Turkey does the honorable thing, recognizes an independent Kurdish state and apologizes for decades of oppression, murder and state-sanction terror? Unlikely though.

[Caius-Cosades]

Why would they? They can just steam-roll across all freely available western Syria until they encounter Israeli forces coming from south, and then roll across eastern Syria until United States starts dropping bombs on them, at which point they will likely stop and start thinking about more permanent borders.

[throwaway2037]

US and Türkiye are both members of NATO and strong allies. I don't think the US will be bombing Türkiye troops in Syria.

[aprilthird2021]

It's surprising to me that many here in HN see Turkey as the state terrorists over the Kurds, when the main party of Kurdish independence from Turkey is a literal terrorist group who committed a terrorist attack killing innocent civilians in Turkey just over one month ago!

It feels to me that when HNers agree that a people should be sovereign (the Kurds), they ignore the terrorism. When they don't agree (the Palestinians), the terrorism takes center stage.

[postingawayonhn]

> a literal terrorist group who committed a terrorist attack killing innocent civilians in Turkey just over one month ago!

Not condoning the attack, but it's also not that black and white. It was an attack on a defense contractor.

[verzali]

So, what, if Al Queda shot up a Boeing facility that would all be fine then? And so was the attack on the Pentagon?

[postingawayonhn]

Well it depends on how just you think their cause is. I doubt too many people here would criticize the Ukrainians attacking Russian factories.

[Apocryphon]

I mean, have you seen the response to the UHC CEO assassination?

[zdragnar]

The difference between freedom fighters and terrorists is often a matter of whether you favor them or not.

[Simon_ORourke]

> is a literal terrorist group

Some guys doing bad stuff, say other guys doing bad stuff are really bad - trust us - and thus have them added to the definitive naughty list. In case you're in any doubt, there are lots of bad people and folks out there, but believing there's one definitive list is pretty much Western chauvinism writ large.

[aprilthird2021]

I largely agree with you that "terrorism" is a designation solely used to denigrate ones enemies. That's the point I'm making. As soon as one group does what we call terrorism, but we agree with them, the label falls off