[zer8k]

> if you look at lions two lions fight the one that wins gets to keep the pride while the other wanders even though there are enough mates for both thats a counter example to the chimps

This isn't a counter-example because chimps possess higher order thinking. Chimps have a distinct sense of fairness that is exhibited consistently even when engaged with their human counterparts.

It's the same for us. If laws didn't protect the haves from the have-nots nature would correct itself when the haves reach a certain level of inequality. When law and order breaks down it's very obvious this is nature. Try hoarding canned food in a food crisis. You'll very quickly find yourself in very real danger. Law, as it turns out, is a very unnatural thing.

The so-called "incel crisis" is a variation of this. It's only a crisis insofar as nature cannot correct itself. The 10%, approximately, of men that get the majority of the women on these apps face no real danger from the have-nots (coincidentally this "incel crisis" has prefaced major social upheaval since time immemorial).

The absurd pay difference between executives and the actual do-ers is yet another example.

At the end of the day the systems are put in place by "leaders" to subvert the hierarchy of needs. Nature can never correct itself, so we are doomed to simply suffer. Nature is brutal not because it wants to be but because it has to be. The only natural order is utilitarianism.