[cbg0]

This has not happened yet, it's merely a speculation at this time, but the accusations have a solid foundation in videos of him talking about the subject and even plagiarizing speeches by famous Iron Guard members.

Romania does not have free speech like the US, we have protected speech and there are some sympathies which are simply illegal, whether you agree with it or not.

[serial_dev]

I know nothing about this situation, but I bet it's like when they say Trump = Hitler, because he had a rally at MSG.

[cbg0]

Nobody's calling him Hitler, there's a lot of very weird things the guy says though, as he's pretty heavy into religious mysticism and a bit of a nutjob, some of his hits:

- Pepsi contains nanochips that enter your body

- water isn't actually H2O

- capitalism is communism, there is no difference

- everybody accepted that Covid exists, there's no such thing, there never was

[tsimionescu]

No, it's way beyond that.

He got booted out of one of the other far right wing parties when he publicly praised Romania's 1930s-1940s fascist/nazi dictators as "heroes, who maybe did some bad things, but a lot of good". He has refused to diaavow them every time he has been asked about them.

One of his major campaign leads wears Romanian nazi symbolism (think the Romanian equivalent of a swastika). The other one often posts about those same dictators, especially in commemoration of their deaths.

He has started one of his speeches with an exact quote from one of said dictators.

This is beyond all of the insane conspiracies and religious mystic declarations, from seeing aliens to "C-sections interrupt the divine cord", "water is not just H2O, it is information, that is why they bottle it to keep this information contained", and so many more.

[aguaviva]

One of his major campaign leads wears Romanian nazi symbolism (think the Romanian equivalent of a swastika).

One of these, perhaps?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Romanian_fascist_symbols....

If you could provide these symbols (in Romain) that would be very helpful. And if it's not too much trouble, a few keywords (in Romanian) of that speech so I can look it up.

Not doubting you in the slightest, but these don't seem to be easily searchable (and I'd appreciate your take).

[tsimionescu]

Sure, here are some links:

- The leader with the legionary / Iron Guard pin (what I called "Romananian nazi movement" pin) [0] (the man on the left is wearing the top Iron Guard symbol as a golden pin, the man in the center is Călin Georgescu)

- Wikipedia entry on this movement [1]

- The copied speech fragment from marshal Ion Antonescu, the Romanian military dictator that allied with Hitler [2]

- Wikipedia entry on Ion Antonescu [3]

- if you want some keywords on the people here, you can search for Eugen Sechila [the person with that pin], neo-legionari, Antonescu, Corneliu Zelea-Codreanu (the leader of the legionary movement in the 1930s and 40s, whom Călin Georgescu was praising)

[0] https://www.bursa.ro/calin-georgescu-apropiat-de-neolegionar...

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard

[2] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eoE9zQ16b0A&pp=ygUiY8SDbGluIGd...

[3] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Antonescu

[aguaviva]

Extremely helpful - mulţumesc

[aguaviva]

when they say Trump = Hitler, because he had a rally at MSG.

No, not "because he had a rally at MSG".

But because of the things he said at that rally.

Do you understand the distinction?

It's also definitely not true that most of the people saying he's a fascist are saying he's "a Nazi"; that's an overdrawn distortion. And a lot of these people with concerns about his rhetoric don't even necessarily think he's a fascist per se; though they do find a matter of concern that he seems to at least be channeling fascist rhetoric.

Whether you agree with them or not is beside the point. What seems much more significant is that you seem to have a weirdly muddled (and hyperemotionalized) view of what people actually think about Trump, and why.

[hcurtiss]

Uhm, you have "sympathies which are simply illegal"? Wow. You trust the government to tell you where you can lay your personal sympathies? I sometimes run into casual statements like this that make me SO GRATEFUL I live in the United States.

[cbg0]

I don't trust the government, but I do trust history on this. If you're curious about the movement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard

I'm very grateful to live in Romania and have a lot of things about the US that I disagree with, but I understand it's a different country with a different history & culture.