[ChumpGPT]

TikTok needs to be banned. It is a tool the Chinese are using very effectively and when paired with Russian efforts to undermine Western Democracies, it is creating mayhem in the systems we have grown to trust. There is an all-out war on the EU in an attempt to destroy the Union and drive out American relationships for China and Russia to take over quietly. Brussels is sleeping while the nightmare continues....

[ethbr1]

By that metric, all social media should be subject to transparency et al. regulation.

Meta, Google, Apple, and Microsoft's algorithms have similar reach.

The real issue here is that afaik no country ever figured out a good way to regulation election speech in a democracy, past social norms and economic realities.

[properpopper]

> TikTok needs to be banned.

It won't achieve anything. The issue is not about China/Russia/America or mobile apps it's about media and media control.

Even your comment is filled with a negative narrative - Western Democracies VS our enemies ( China, Russia, etc ... ).

> drive out American relationships for China and Russia to take over quietly

Is it bad for a union to have multiple relationships or multiple vectors of development?

> it is creating mayhem in the systems we have grown to trust

I don't see it, but if something can cause a mayhem in the systems this means that these systems are flawed?

[logicchains]

The reason people are voting for anti-EU candidates is that the "systems" have proving themselves completely untrustworthy. Western European liberal democracies have completely stopped delivering on the promise of increasing prosperity and instead resorted to clamping down and trying to censor anyone who criticises their failed economic and migration policies.

[ChumpGPT]

I don't think it's a secret that Russia is paying billions to promote a narrative to undermine the EU and America. The Russian money has been flowing to Right Wing/ Left Wing extremists which would not even have a voice without their support. Fringe groups or Candidates receive millions to promote a narrative that causes a breakdown of society. The Chinese are going about it more subtly in the same fashion a drug dealer would get a client hooked.

The problems the EU faces are the problems every one of the members would face alone. The system isn't perfect and needs constant tweaking but the alternative is being alone against the likes of Russia or China.

[fakedang]

I mean both of you aren't wrong. Brussels is sleeping and failing to deliver upon the European promise.

I often think what the EU would have been, had they implemented a shorter austerity in the aftermath of '08, and hadn't succumbed to the migrants, choosing to enforce a strong and severe border regime. The social safety net and the sentiment for further integration would both have been much stronger.

But of course, Merkel gotta Merkel and Germany gotta Germany. There should be a lot more resentment against Germany than there is currently.

[ethbr1]

The trap for Germany is that last I checked their demographics are shitty (age and birth rate).

Consequently, they need immigration to maintain population growth.

Unfortunately, not many folks understand how many orders of magnitude more difficult it is to maintain an economy and quality of life in a shrinking country.

[fakedang]

Perhaps growth isn't the be-all end-all?

Shrinking demographics are a consequence of a high education workforce, along with an uncontrolled immigration crisis. Importing randos to procreate with your native population is not a winning strategy.

In an ideal scenario, Germany and Japan would have collaborated on developing tools and technologies for automation. You sustain your growth with widespread use of robotic technologies.

[ethbr1]

Eh... or the shift from traditional fact checked journalism to crowd sourced channels has enabled a much more virulent strain of populism to succeed in elections.

Turns out, when you promise people more money, less taxes, and fewer of "them" (whoever the them-du-jour is), they tend to vote for you!

Historically, this truth has been balanced out by trustworthy news sources, but social media effectively imploded 80% of those by eating their ad revenue.

[para_parolu]

TikTok doesn’t vote. People vote.