[qwertox]

I just watched the power phone on / off preview, and it has the issues which I assumed it would have.

Long-press to turn on a powered-off phone is not a standard. Even I don't know how to turn these devices on, so I do a combination of multiple short presses, multiple long presses until it works.

Powering the phone off via the button won't work on modern phones, since the hardware power button has become the tool to invoke an assistant. You need to swipe down the notifications twice and use the software power button from there.

In this room I have 6 Android devices from different manufacturers.

Then there are so many OS differences between all the vendors, that it becomes almost impossible to teach someone who doesn't know how Android generally works if it isn't on their own device.

But I congratulate him for doing these videos and hope that the elderly manage to learn from the course.

[piltdownman]

// Powering the phone off via the button won't work on modern phones, since the hardware power button has become the tool to invoke an assistant.

ALL versions of Android OS allows you to set the power button back to power on long-press - you just have to go back into settings to change it; although the Pixel range had a recent update change to Gemini as default. Similar to the double-tap for quick camera.

[qwertox]

I prefer it this way, long press = assistant, double press = camera. And I believe that the elderly would also prefer this, if they do actively use an assistant to ask questions.

I have hot-word detection turned off, so I think the button is a good compromise.

[kelvinjps10]

If you press it long enough, it will shutdown, even if you didn't touch anything in the assistant.

[qwertox]

I just held it for around 25 seconds on a Pixel 8 and it did nothing (except for starting the assistant). I think if you hold it even longer then it does some kind of reset, which isn't a clean shutdown.

I don't mind the repurposing of the power button. I prefer it being used for something else, since I don't power it off very often.

The only thing which bothers me a bit in the repurposed state is that the power-off menu includes an emergency button, which is now hidden behind a couple of levels of swiping and clicking. And accessing it from the lock screen again varies among vendors.

[Dalewyn]

>the hardware power button has become the tool to invoke an assistant.

I motherfucking hate this with extreme and excessive prejudice. The fucking power button ends up having nothing to do with fucking power, what level of "War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery" are we even talking about at that point?

Fortunately, my phone (a Sony Xperia) has an option to change it back to turning the fucking phone on/off, but it's still not the default and it's fucking stupid and I fucking hate it.