[onlyrealcuzzo]

> I'm sorry, but where do these writers get off wagging their fingers and tut-tutting people who'd prefer not to spend their neurons on sympathy for someone at the helm of an inhuman system?

And what exactly is your solution?

Healthcare should be a charity from the rich?

It should be nationalized, and somehow magically all the problems go away?

[jjj123]

You’ve got the answer right there. It should be nationalized. And a major reason it will never be nationalized is because of lobbying by health insurance corporations.

[tptacek]

Well that and people finding the idea repellant and voting against it.

[jjj123]

Medicare for all is actually a very popular policy, with majority approval (across people who identify with both parties).

M4A is nationalized health insurance if not quite nationalized healthcare, but the point remains that the only reason we don’t have major steps in this direction is because of people in power who will not let it happen.

[tptacek]

No, it isn't. Like many other things, it's only popular in opinion polling, not at the ballot box.

[jjj123]

Yes. My point is exactly that. People want nationalized healthcare, but once there’s layer upon layer of media propaganda and power plays by the donor class of both parties, the people don’t end up voting for (or don’t have the option to vote for) their own interests.

[vundercind]

Yes, there is a lot of money behind that position.

[tptacek]

Do you have an argument that would be persuasive to someone who doesn't believe the voters in every state where this was proposed were successfully hoodwinked by "money"?

[vundercind]

Hold on, we can come back to this, but: which states have held a vote on nationalizing (state-izing?) healthcare?

[tptacek]

Vermont, Colorado, Washington.