[tptacek]

There's a distinction to be drawn between challenging norms of discourse like not speaking ill of the dead, and actively cheerleading murders, like "we should boycott Starbucks for providing evidence about the murderer to police", or Taylor Lorenz calling for the assassination of Anthem's CEO by name.

[vundercind]

The incoming President told his supporters that if he lost they’d still have to the option of shooting his opponent, when he ran in 2016. Instead of being ejected from politics forever by an outraged public, he went on to win that election. Then another one more recently.

What’s this norm you mention?

[UncleOxidant]

Norm died in 2016.

[tptacek]

I don't understand why you think pointing to another odious person rebuts my argument.

[vundercind]

Another extremely popular person. Who violated that norm on camera and had it broadcast all over the place. And remained extremely popular.

What norm?

[tptacek]

I don't think you understand me. I'm not saying people are taking to fainting couches over norms violations. They're reacting to people like Taylor Lorenz literally calling for the assassination of people by name. In my case, past that, for Lorenz doing so based on a comically flawed understanding of what her target was doing.

[vundercind]

I’m saying not-cheerleading-murder isn’t exactly a firm norm here anymore. Not even among the elites.

[tptacek]

That's fine, but I'm going to push back on the idea that objecting to people publishing hit lists is "tut tutting".