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by zadler 559 days ago
I feel this way about AI. Oh wait, AI is actually an existential risk to humanity, also.
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Generative AI is hardly an existential risk. There’s huge fears around AGI, but that’s not what people are building.
Look at (the comments on) the Genie announcement on the front page today or yesterday, and earlier generative "world models". People are itching to use those kind of models for the internal world representation of autonomous robots. More generally the fact that a model is "generative" does not mean it can not become an effective component in or pathway to AGI.
There’s huge fears around AGI, but that’s not what people are building.

Everyone is trying to build this.

“Trying” is an overly generous interpretation of what’s going on.

Training an LLM is not actually working on AGI just as people building skyscrapers aren’t getting to the moon. It’s an inherent limitation on the approach.

Training LLMs is not the only thing people are trying. They dominate the public attention right now but there are people everywhere trying all kinds of approaches. Here's one from IBM: https://research.ibm.com/topics/neuro-symbolic-ai

First sentence: "We see Neuro-symbolic AI as a pathway to achieve artificial general intelligence"

I agree some people are doing novel work, but that’s a long way from “Everyone”.
Everyone is trying to get to AGI, and yes mostly through LLMs for now.

You said you don't believe LLMs are capable of ever getting there, so I offered a link showing people are trying other things as well. My point was never "Everyone is doing novel, non-LLM work towards AGI".

But everyone is in fact trying to get to AGI:

Google: https://www.fastcompany.com/91233846/noam-shazeer-back-at-go... https://deepmind.google/research/publications/66938/

Microsoft: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/bing/do-more-with-ai/artific...

Meta: https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/18/24042354/mark-zuckerberg-...

Salesforce: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2023/09/12/salesfo...

Not to mention obvious suspects (OpenAI, Anthropic etc). Just because you think it won't work doesn't mean they're not trying. Everyone is trying to get to AGI.

> It’s an inherent limitation on the approach.

What's your evidence for this?

AGI needs to be able to generalize to real world tasks like self driving without needing task specific help from its creators.

But the current LLM process separates learning from interacting and the learning process is based on huge volumes of text. It’s possible to bolt on specific capabilities like say a chess engine, but you’re now building something different not an LLM.

I assure you people are very much trying to build the titular Torment Zone in the hit scifi novel "Don't Build the Torment Zone"
Either way it’s headed off the rails. Sloppification of everything, followed by eventual machine takeover.