[piva00]

Would there be any ventures if Errol didn't fund Elon's trip to the USA? That's the point, without the emerald mining funding there would be no Elon in the USA, no Elon taking risks in ventures, etc. It can't be looked at in a vacuum of "he didn't get direct money for his ventures", it was only possible for Elon to start ventures because of the emerald mines.

[WalterBright]

I know several people who emigrated to the US with a suitcase and became millionaires. None of them had a family emerald mine, or any family wealth at all.

If you live in the USA already, why didn't you start SpaceX? Millions of immigrants come to the USA. Why didn't anyone else start SpaceX?

[acuozzo]

Anecdotal, but… I'd be willing to put the time and effort in to start a company, but I would not be willing to lose my home or fail to provide for my wife & three children in the process as neither my wife nor I have any family capable of taking us in.

[WalterBright]

You're risk averse. That's fine - but it does not justify being envious of those who do take risks. Musk bet everything he had on Tesla, and at one point was within hours of personal bankruptcy as well as Tesla's.

[acuozzo]

FWIW, I'm not necessarily envious of Musk, et al.

With that being said, I'm not sure personal bankruptcy is a particularly meaningful risk when the individual in question can enjoy substantial riches by sheepishly(?) returning home to the care of their parent(s).

Granted, neither you nor I know if this is an option for Musk, but given that his mother speaks quite fondly of her son in public, it seems reasonable enough to me to believe that it is.

What I'm trying to say here is: Musk's risks are not mine. Would personal bankruptcy result in both he and his offspring living in poverty?

Celebrating someone for having taken a risk while omitting what exactly was on the line for them is a debate tactic built on a false equivalency which can be used as a cudgel to beat opponents down in arguments if its foundational trick goes unnoticed.

>> He jumped from the building and survived! Why can't you jump from the building too?

> The fire department erected a life net for him beforehand. All I have is sidewalk.

[WalterBright]

People go bankrupt all the time in the US. That doesn't mean they starve to death.

> Would personal bankruptcy result in both he and his offspring living in poverty?

Musk did spend time in the US with no money. He got a job. It was a dirty job cleaning industrial machinery. A job anyone with a willingness to work could get.

Instead of doing all this guessing and assuming and making up things about Musk, why not read an actual biography of him? The one I read is by Vance:

https://www.amazon.com/Elon-Musk-SpaceX-Fantastic-Future/dp/...

It costs $1.32. No excuses!

[piva00]

> If you live in the USA already, why didn't you start SpaceX? Millions of immigrants come to the USA. Why didn't anyone else start SpaceX?

I don't live in the USA.

Because very few people has US$100 million of initial capital investment.

Why didn't you start SpaceX? As far as I know you're an aeronautical engineer, so why didn't you do something bigger than the D languge?

The same answer might apply to anyone else who you ask that question.

[rootusrootus]

> why didn't you start SpaceX?

It took $100M to start SpaceX. The argument works better if you start with one of the more modest earlier efforts.