[noch]

> I want a scientific mission to mars I hope doing so pushes science and engineering know how forward.

I encourage you to implement this mission. No one is stopping you. I hope you succeed.

> Going to mars on a larger scale is presently nonsense

The history of humanity at every scale is men saying "x project is nonsense" while other men do stuff (I recall my grandfather telling me how he was told that building a 5 acre dairy farm in the middle of nowhere, with no roads and no technology was impossible and would bankrupt him. That farm eventually scaled up to a "larger scale" that he was assured was impossible).

You really are terribly boring, or terribly young, or both. Sad.

Here's the thing: you bore me. I feel no inclination to engage with your dull diatribe. I'm the wrong audience for you, and you're a waste of my time, as I am a waste of yours.

So, find someone who cares about or agrees with what you're saying and you'll have a more productive debate, I promise.

> Let's start with how a large scale colony is going to be viable and earn money.

Here's thing. If you answer the questions you raise, you win the prize at the next frontier. That's what innovation is about. You can be given infinite amounts of money anywhere in the world if you present solutions to questions that other men can't figure out. That's the game.

But you don't actually want to answer the questions: "how do we colonize Mars", "how do we build a 1M person base on the moon?" You want to moralize about your low expectations and treat your lack of imagination as a virtue. I categorically refuse to play that game. But good luck.

[michaelmrose]

There isn't anything on Mars that would warrant a city. It isn't merely inconveniently located like your dairy farm its amazing expensive, unlivable, and worthless outside of science which is why you want scientists studying it but its pointless to build a city there.

Its not about how we build a city there its about there being no reason to do so this century. It was fucking trivual to answer that question for Every other frontier and the dairy farm because however remote the farm it had soil and an atmosphere.

You are covering your complete lack of argument with condecention and absolutely nobody is buying it.

[noch]

> There isn't anything on Mars that would warrant a city.

That's your opinion and it's irrelevant to those who are more ambitious and curious than you. On top of that, you're taking out of your rear, because you haven't explored Mars or any other planet. You have no clue what is out there.

> You are covering your complete lack of argument with condecention and absolutely nobody is buying it.

You seem thoroughly confused. I'm not selling anything. Free individuals can choose the future they want. Stop being a toddler.

The simple fact is there are many men who want to do something. There is no other justification an individual needs in order to pursue their ambitions. They don't answer to you and never will.

[michaelmrose]

You haven't said how we would deal with the radiation nor why we would build such a colony.