[jefbyokyie]

> I’m more frustrated that Debian has such a stranglehold on packaging decisions and it effectively refuses to experiment or innovate on that in any way.

What Debian has is not a "stranglehold" but an ideology, and Debian continues to matter to (some) upstream projects because lots of users identify with Debian's hyperconservative, noncommercial ideology.

Your complaint is basically, "it's too bad that the userbase not sharing my values is large enough to matter".

[vlovich123]

> What Debian has is not a "stranglehold" but an ideology, and Debian continues to matter to (some) upstream projects because lots of users identify with Debian's hyperconservative, noncommercial ideology.

> Your complaint is basically, "it's too bad that the userbase not sharing my values is large enough to matter".

Arch and rolling releases have about the same market share as Debian. Indeed, ironically, Debian's widespread adoption is seen primarily in the enterprise space where it's free as in beer nature and peer adoption is a signal it's a suitable free (as in beer) alternative to RedHat. Without Ubuntu's popularity a while back making Debian not so crazy an idea, I think "Debian" philosophy would not have anywhere near the adoption we see in commercial environments.