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by jasfi 570 days ago
The objective would likely drive lots of improvements to science and engineering.

Mars itself is very inhospitable to humans.

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Mars is extremely hospitable to humans, compared to almost every other planet except Earth.

Mercury: tidal lock to Sun, heavy solar radiation and solar flares up close, complicated orbital movement, low gravity, basically no atmosphere. May be habitable underground in particular belts with reasonable temperatures.

Venus: a runaway greenhouse effect, metal-melting temperatures and colossal pressure on the surface, colossal never-clearing clouds, very strong winds, sulfur and chlorine abound in the atmosphere. Could be habitable using artificial islands floating in the upper atmosphere where the temperature and pressure are comfortable. At least the gravity is close to that on Earth.

Jupiter is not habitable by itself, just due to the very strong gravity. Various moons of Jupiter are all pretty cold (though some have liquid water under the surface), and at his distance from Sun, the amount of sunlight reaching them is rather small, even when reflected by the giant disc of Jupiter in the sky. It's cold, solar power in impractical, uranium and thorium are not apparently abundant.

Saturn: see Jupiter, only even farther and colder.

Neptune: see Jupiter, but even without serious moons.

Pluto / Charon binary: not even a planet. At this distance, Sun is but another star in the sky.

Compared to these, Mars, with its conditions that resemble Earths's polar regions over large swaths of the surface, acceptable distance from Sun, serious amounts of water (as ice), acceptable gravity, acceptable amounts of sunlight, and relative closeness to Earth looks not that bad at all, and basically the only practical candidate for an autonomous, self-sufficient world.

Just because Mars is better than the others doesn't mean its good enough as a long term habitat.

People would have bone density problems much sooner in life, as an example.

There is a price you have to pay to make a whole new planet your own. The choice of accessible celestial bodies is scarce, to say the least. A long-term colony, and by this a mean centuries and many locally born generations, will certainly uncover a large bunch of problems, and develop a number of adaptations, possibly including eventual genetic changes.
I had a similar reply to someone else: by the time we can adapt to live on Mars, decades away at best, traveling there will be the least of our worries. Glad to be proven wrong, of course.

Maybe we can try and terraform it in the meantime.

It is very inhospitable to biological humans.

There is a decent chance that our present biological basis is not congruent with the future of humanity. Mind-extension into synthetic cognitive structures is not as far fetched as it seems- we already extend our consciousness using machines, albeit with a very poor interface.

It is foreseeable that we will come to understand the nature of sentience - after all, many simpler organisms exhibit sentience- and beyond that it seems to be a scaling problem, which are inherently tractable.

If we can improve the interface between biological computation and synthetic computation, it will likely become possible to extend sentience across that divide, barring some kind of spiritual phenomenon or “magic “.

If we don’t shoot ourselves in the foot too badly, it is foreseeable that we may make very substantial progress in this direction over the next century. Establishing a toehold on mars during that century will be a huge strategic advantage.

The problem with “people these days” is that almost no one thinks a multi decade project is worth doing. If everyone waits for the future to “arrive “, the future you end up with is just driven by quarterlies.

The most important accomplishments will be remembered for centuries. If you aren’t working on one in some capacity, what are you even doing with your life?

If we can pull off synthetic bodies for our consciousness, then by that time going to Mars will be a walk in the park.

But I think you underlined the issue of timelines. Yes we can technically go to Mars in only a few years, but people living there permanently is going to be beyond my lifetime. Unless some people are willing to drastically sacrifice their health.

It’s not so much synthetic bodies as synthetic brains. Once we can move into thermodynamic neural systems or something similar in effect, -anything- can be a body. You could be a spaceship, or a power plant, or an anthropoid robot. I would imagine that one would need enough sensory diversity to keep from going mad, But I would imagine that corporeal flexibility would be one of the major perks.
>It is very inhospitable to biological humans.

Current biological humans.

And as you allude to, updated and replacement body plans are easily in the cards on a decades timescale.