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by moregon 566 days ago
I know they have instructions on where to buy papyrus and how to cook it to resemble the conditions of the original scrolls, but from what I understand, nobody has done what you suggest. It sounds like a good idea to me also, but a few suggestions on why they haven't done it yet:

1) Scanning a scroll costs around $40k, between the trip to London, renting the equipment, paying the staff etc.

2) I'm not sure that just cooking the scroll is enough to reproduce the exact conditions of the original, which were also buried underground for thousand of years. Time, soil pressure and so on could have a big impact on the final composition of the sheets.

3) To actually reproduce a realistic sample, you need a professional papyrologist. It's not enough to copy an Ancient Greek text from an online database, you need to know all the conventions of the handwriting of the time (they didn't use spaces, they didn't use the diacritics and accent marks we use in modern editions, often letters where written in idiosyncratic ways depending on the period etc.). Considering how few papyrologists there are, how busy they are, and how long would take one of them to recreate a decent replica, I think this is maybe the biggest obstacle.

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1/ and 2/ are of course good objections; I wasn't aware of the cost of a scan (but this kind of experiment could be done by the organizers, saving on trip costs).

But I don't think step 3 is strictly necessary. The main point would be to improve software unrolling, using information from the structure of the roll. So it may be enough to simply put printer's mark at regular intervals, with references.

I see what you mean, before I had assumed you meant an exact replica. If you "just" want to write reference marks to help the segmentation models, then you don't need a papyrologist. It's still something that only the organizers could do, since I don't see a volunteer team being able to afford the expenses. I don't know if the reason they haven't done it until now it's simply that they're a small outfit that has to juggle different priorities, or if they have judged it not worth it technically!
I'd say this is when you have perfect being the enemy of good.

I'm sure a whole scroll is expensive to create, cook and scan but sections of a scroll could be done for a fraction.

Also the realism of the papyrus is less crucial than the initial training of uncooked -> cooked -> recovered.

So, OP's suggestion sounds like a great first step to get more insights on what's possible and what's not relatively quickly.