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by telgareith 571 days ago
Activist or terrorist? Those groups have blurred the line. Several are officially on terrorism lists.
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Can you really say that people going into farms to take pictures are doing anything relating to weapons of mass destruction though?

If it's so dangerous because of viruses and whatnot, surely that's on the farmers?

They were charged with misdemeanor trespassing.

The only connection to WMD charges is that it was mentioned in the memo as an example of "minor criminal activity".

The article seems to be deliberately misleading.

> Activist or terrorist? Those groups have blurred the line

Irrespective of official designation or intent, if you’re inflicting political violence on unarmed civilians, you’re a terrorist. If not, you’re something else.

define political violence acts? Taking pictures of someone doing something that might be awful to expose that they are doing something awful is what I imagine these people do. That doesn't feel like what I'd call political violence. P.V. would be trying to shoot someone, maybe bringing up a crowd to chase someone away because you don't like what they are saying. You know, threatening.

Trespassing is what they are doing if they come in and take pictures when they are supposed to be there on private property. Can you explain what you mean here?

The real terrorists are the ones operating factory farms. They're breeding animals to live a hellish life of suffering and then die in horrible ways.
Then what do you call throwing grenades at fisherman?
Are you talking about current accusations against Paul Watson?

The grenades were « smelly ones », not the one to kill. Also that Japanese sailor that accuse Paul, actually did harm himself by sending a projectile in the wind opposite direction, therefore the projectile came back to him. There à public footage showing it. The court didn’t accept to see it yet, because it would Free Paul from charges. This is a political case.

A made up example, as far as I can tell. Or, even if true, unrelated to the activists described in this article.
What are you talking about?
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

There's really no difference between the two, except perspective. If most of society greatly disapproves of their actions, then they're a "terrorist". If they're successful with their campaign, and most people (maybe in the future) approve of their actions, they're a "freedom fighter".

> One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter

This is as tropey as it is untrue.

Post WWII, successful revolutionaries rarely terrorised civilians. (Even the Taliban in its fight to retake Afghanistan largely constrained itself to military targets.)

Before WWII, certainly the Napoleonic Wars, total war was the norm—the line between enemy armies, terrorists, criminal gangs and revolutionaries didn’t exist on a practical level because the concept of war crimes, atrocities and crimes against humanity didn’t exist. Raping and pillaging began to be frowned upon in that broad interwar period, which encapsulates the Great War, but that varied significantly from place to place. (In antiquity. exterminating the enemy was almost best practice.)

So no. If you’re using violence as a political tool against non-military targets, you’re not a freedom fighter. You’re a terrorist. The only grey areas are collateral damage and political executions, e.g. purging an old regime. (Even then, it’s a grey line between freedom fighter and war criminal, or revolutionary and brutal autocrat. Not terrorist.)

> Even the Taliban in its fight to retake Afghanistan largely constrained itself to military targets.

Are you kidding? If you are a civilian and the Taliban think you were affiliated with or benefiting from the old regime, you were and are a target.

The same applies to any revolutionary or independence movement anywhere in the world. If you are an ordinary poor farmer or a laborer, they will probably leave you alone (might requisition your home or your crops though). But if you are a professor, a policeman, an official, a business owner, a journalist, writer, or artist, or simply a prominent person in some way (in terms of your education, wealth, influence, loudly voiced opinions, religion, ethnic origin, etc.) - watch out, because there is a good chance they'll want to hang you.

> If you are a civilian and the Taliban think you were affiliated with or benefiting from the old regime, you were and are a target

Governments brutalising their own citizens aren’t terorrists.

> there is a good chance they'll want to hang you

Fair enough, I suppose I should qualify political violence against non-military targets with indiscriminate. There is a difference between murderous revolutionary regimes and terrorism. (One key element, however, being the word “regime.” Killing professors after taking power isn’t terrorism. Killing professors before seizing control is.)