[ArtTimeInvestor]

Can anybody speak to the pros and cons of Hetzner vs OVH?

There ain't many large European cloud companies, and I would like to understand how they differentiate.

Ionos is another European one. Currently, it looks like their cloud business is stagnating, though.

[Aachen]

My main complaint with OVH is that their checkout process is broken in various ways (missing translations so you get French bits, broken translations so placeholders like ACCEPT_BUTTON leak through, legally binding terms with typos and weird formatting because someone copied them from a PDF into a textarea, UIs from the 90s plastered in between modern ones, missing option to renew a domain for longer than a year, confusing automatic renewal setup, and so on). The control panel in general is quite confusing. They also don't allow hosting an email server (port 25 blocked), iirc the docs tell you to go away and use a competitor

I didn't have any of these web UI issues with Hetzner, but iirc OVH is cheaper for domain names, as well as having very reliable and fast DNS servers (measured various query types across some 6 months), and that's why I initially chose them — until my home ISP gave me a burned IP address and I needed an externally hosted server for originating email data (despite it coming from an old and trusted domain that permitlists the IP address) so now I'm with both OVH and Hetzner... Anyway, another thing I like in OVH is that you can edit the raw zone file data and that they support some of the more exotic record types. I don't know how Hetzner compares on domain hosting though

[thenaturalist]

I'd say stay clear of Ionos.

Bonkers first experience in the last two weeks.

Graphical "Data center designer", no ability to open multiple tabs, instead always rerouting to the main landing page.

Attached 3 IGWs to a box, all public IPs, GUI shows "no active firewall rules".

IGW 1: 100% packet loss over 1 minute.

IGW 2: 85% packet loss over 1 minute.

IGW3: 95% packet loss over 1 minute.

Turns out "no active Firewall rules" just wasn't the case and explicit whitelisting is absolutely required.

But wait, there's more!

Created a hosted PostgreSQL instance, assigned a private subnet for creation.

SSH into my server, ping the URL of the created Postgres instance: The DB's IP is outside the CIDR range of the assigned subnet and unreachable.

What?

Deleted the instance, created another one, exact same settings. Worked this time around.

Support quality also varies extremely.

Out of 3 encounters, I had a competent person once.

Other two straight out said they have no idea what's going on.

[ArtTimeInvestor]

It is not possible to configure the setup without the graphical interface?

Are there cloud providers you prefer?

[mkesper]

You could use their cloud API https://api.ionos.com/docs/cloud/v6/ or e.g. terraform provider: https://docs.ionos.com/reference/config-management-tools/con... I don't have any practical experience with this provider, though.

[j16sdiz]

I use Scaleway for my EU cloud needs.

This is a very low usage toy server, can't speak for performance/cost.